Traumeel is also available in drops.
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Could they have overdosed the amount of selenium? As that was the cause of the polo pony deaths a couple years ago.
I donât really understand why those drugs are used? Why not just give them orally in their feed if you think they need something extra? There are risks with every injection and especially for something off labelâŠ
I sort of feel like they need more restrictions on drugging horses for competition. Or post competition.
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Sure, but there are known reactions to correct dosing so it wouldnât have been necessary to overdose the horse to have an adverse reaction.
Joint assistance to be useful pretty much has to be injected.
I cannot speak to needling selenium in horses, but in cattle in Se deficient areas, injection of selenium and vitamin E is really important to give cows a pre-calving boost for the calfâs sake. Feeding sufficient (or what is believed to be sufficient) amounts does not necessarily prevent white muscle disease in calves.
Why the heck for horses? I have no idea.
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I wonder if an insurance company would pay out in a situation where drugs were given IV off label, even by a vet. I am not even sure if a vetâs liability insurance would pay in that situation either. And some horses are so valuable that the cost to insure them is so great that they are self insured so maybe no insurance company involved.
I bet the owner sues and a settlement is reached because I donât see the ESEF having a leg to stand on. They medicated the horse without her knowledge despite having an agreement that they would not do so, the administered drugs off label, and then they tried to pin the death on another cause. So be looking in your mailbox for those letters begging for funds and the address labels because competing internationally is so expensive.
And I donât see why all that stuff is really necessary, even at this level of competition. Where is the science behind these medications administered IV. Just because âeverybody does itâ is not a reason.
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The groom wanted NO part of it, bless his heart. I cannot imagine their grief and horror. Just put him in some ice boots for heavenâs sake, not a flipping cocktail of CRAP.
I wonder what happened to his body? I would want those kidneys and liver state-side already for real investigation. I donât trust USEF much less the host countryâs system.
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I believe the owner said in a Facebook post that the horse was finally âhomeâ at her farm in California. No specifics that I saw.
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IV or IM or either?
IM. Never, ever, ever IV.
IIRC the brand I used (Selon E) said only IM on the insert.
Adding, that I could see the appeal of doing IV if it were safe. Although not as painful as penicillin, itâs not a comfortable shot and the greater the dose, the more uncomfortable. I always split a dose between both hamstrings 2.5cc each side. (Donât quote me on the dose - it may have been as much as 10cc ⊠but that was now a couple years ago or so and I no longer have all the pre-calving protocols in my brain)
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In the HJ forum posters are stating that Legend is given daily to competing FEI horses and Adequan every Friday before a horse shows. All off label use.
The dosage schedule for Adequan is 1 dose every 4 days for 7 total doses.
Legend dosage is 1 dose once a week for 3 total doses.
The USEF vet used is from Mexico and he has a Medico Veterinario y Zootechnista (MVZ) which is a five-year undergraduate program of schools in Colombia, Guatemala, and Mexico. He does not have a DVM.
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First question: Why is USEF not using a DVM?
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The pharmacy that created the drug could have over dosed the seleniumâŠ
Iâm not sure this caused it but if I was the owner I would definitely want it looked into. It looks like hemorrhage into the lungs is common in a severe selenium overdose.
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The owner has a very nice tribute to the groom on her FB page.
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This does not indicate a lack of quality of the educational program. The UK, for example, also treats both human and veterinary medicine as an undergraduate degree. UK graduates technically get a BVM&S, in most cases. We colloquially call these people âdoctorâ but technically they also âonlyâ have an undergraduate degree, not a DVM.
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Thank you for spelling this out. A âDVMâ is an American invention, and not necessarily the metric against which all veterinary medicine is measured.
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Wouldnât a DVM degree be required to treat horses in the US to abide by the laws about treatment and medication? Unless this guy only worked on the team horses in other countries.
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Extremely common, including amongst the top FEI vets in the US that travel with our teams. I donât know about daily, but plenty of horses get an extra shot of Legend the week of a big show.
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To practice as a veterinarian in the United States, you must have either graduated from a veterinary school accredited by the AVMA Council on EducationÂź (AVMA COEÂź) or successfully completed an educational equivalency certification program such as that administered by the AVMAâs Educational Commission for Foreign Veterinary GraduatesÂź
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Yet apparently not at all common for this horse according to the ownerâs FB page. She states the horse was sound and healthy and did not need any drugs.
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was it something like a heart attack? I remember Hickstead, but since I do not follow sj I do not remember the details. I do remember Swale falling down dead of I believe of a heart attack, the day after he won the Belmont. I think I am remembering all that correctly.
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