And wouldn’t a pony mom want to spread the word about the dangers of those “joint injections” to prevent it from happening to other ponies?? Especially a pony mom that just hosted a contest to give a little girl a chance to fulfill her pony dreams in the horse show world??
Sigh…I really thought the confession to the PA police about accidentally putting down her pony would hold some weight at the USEF hearing.
Poor Humble. 
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Should the USEF have the power to have confiscated the body and do its own tests? Should members pay for this?[/QUOTE]
No, I don’t think so. But they should have the power to deny membership to members who don’t cooperate in hearings. IMHO.
I don’t believe it’s the USEF saying there was lack of cooperation. After all, they ruled in favor of that side. This article clearly comes from someone without a great deal of knowledge regarding USEF rules or medications. It’s not an official statement.
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I don’t believe it’s the USEF saying there was lack of cooperation. After all, they ruled in favor of that side. This article clearly comes from someone without a great deal of knowledge regarding USEF rules or medications. It’s not an official statement.[/QUOTE]
This is fair. I am taking at face value the representation that the USEF asked for the full necropsy/blood test results and was only given a portion because Mandarino refused to provide the rest of the requested information. I have no way of knowing if that is a true recitation of the events, but I am assuming for the sake of argument that it is.
Limerick, just because she admitted to the police that she “killed” the horse doesn’t mean she did it intentionally. As another poster here mentioned, any time you give a horse an IV injection things can and do go terribly wrong. I honestly don’t know much about this seedy side of showing so I’m more than naive on the subject but a friend who shows ponies has told me this type of thing (injections to make horses/ponies better performers) are more than commonplace…
I’ve been told of some shows I’ve never attended where vets are there full time to inject whatever you want, basically. Apparently it’s quite profitable.
I can’t imagine insurance paying out, though. I believe my policy requires permission before putting my horse down for an incurable problem… much less accidentally doing it, supposedly for hocks.
Even for a completely legit case I can imagine being completely horrified. Perhaps even more for a completely legit case, as if you’re doing nothing wrong and completely trying to be moral and do the best for the horse it would feel absolutely devastating.
I wonder if the USEF will soon have a rule declaring necropsy result turnover required to avoid suspension for horse deaths on show grounds in the future. While I could understand that, as a member of a religion which doesn’t usually do autopsies (or embalming) for humans, a necropsy for a horse turns my stomach and isn’t something I would want to have to order should the worst ever happen.
IF Ms. Mandarino did indeed withhold evidence, that should be an AUTOMATIC suspension. IF USEF did not rule on the other counts, then they should be held accountable. I’m really pissed off about this - and you know how I get! 
As COTH has been made aware, and wishes to ignore in relation to their press release, and for the record, the USEF had full access to the necropsy and toxicology which cleared my name before the temporary suspension was lifted and I provided evidence above and beyond what was required by the USEF. Beyond this, I can not comment as Amber Hill Farm LLC has filed both administrative and civil complaints, some of which are pending and some of which are to be filed.
It appears The Chronicle has reprinted a press release issued by USEF, in which USEF quotes the findings of its Hearing Committee. Accordingly, I would not characterize the USEF publication as “their press release.”
http://www.usefnetwork.com/news/9350/2012/11/4/protest_against_elizabeth_mandarino.aspx
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As COTH has been made aware, and wishes to ignore in relation to their press release, and for the record, the USEF had full access to the necropsy and toxicology which cleared my name before the temporary suspension was lifted and I provided evidence above and beyond what was required by the USEF. Beyond this, I can not comment as Amber Hill Farm LLC has filed both administrative and civil complaints, some of which are pending and some of which are to be filed.[/QUOTE]Good of you to let us know.
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As COTH has been made aware, and wishes to ignore in relation to their press release, and for the record, the USEF had full access to the necropsy and toxicology which cleared my name before the temporary suspension was lifted and I provided evidence above and beyond what was required by the USEF. Beyond this, I can not comment as Amber Hill Farm LLC has filed both administrative and civil complaints, some of which are pending and some of which are to be filed.[/QUOTE]
Thanks
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As COTH has been made aware, and wishes to ignore in relation to their press release, and for the record, the USEF had full access to the necropsy and toxicology which cleared my name before the temporary suspension was lifted and I provided evidence above and beyond what was required by the USEF. Beyond this, I can not comment as Amber Hill Farm LLC has filed both administrative and civil complaints, some of which are pending and some of which are to be filed.[/QUOTE]
Why don’t you provide us links to those documents in full so we can draw our own conclusions? Press releases never give all of the information.
Why would anyone let their child train with this trainer given their sordid reputation and association with more than one pony death?
Yep, I’ll see how long my post is allowed to stay.
RIP Humble. Poor pony.
Based on the kinds of things that Mandarino herself has posted here, does anyone expect any different?
This has become more than ridiculous. What parent would want to send their child to train in a program that has had so much bad press?
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Why don’t you provide us links to those documents in full so we can draw our own conclusions? Press releases never give all of the information.[/QUOTE]
Because quite frankly, my daughter and I have been eviscerated on the internet and we do not owe anonymous posters unfettered access to our personal life. It is time for the pony we loved dearly and lost, to rest in peace and for my daughter to heal emotionally from all the false, malicious, unsupported and speculative postings.
Please don’t bring your daughter into this. No one else has.
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Because quite frankly, my daughter and I have been eviscerated on the internet and we do not owe anonymous posters unfettered access to our personal life. It is time for the pony we loved dearly and lost, to rest in peace and for my daughter to heal emotionally from all the false, malicious, unsupported and speculative postings.[/QUOTE]
Have never seen your daughter’s name associated with this pony’s death and subsequent lawsuit and charges. In fact, have read positive things about her and good wishes for a better future for her. Please leave her out of it.
Just want to clarify:
Depo MEDROL = depo methylprednisolone
Depo PROVERA = depo medroxyprogesterone
Depo Medrol is a corticosteroid. Depo Provera is a progesterone (gender hormone).
I still think this boils down to no way to test for mag but what do I know…
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Because quite frankly, my daughter and I have been eviscerated on the internet and we do not owe anonymous posters unfettered access to our personal life. It is time for the pony we loved dearly and lost, to rest in peace and for my daughter to heal emotionally from all the false, malicious, unsupported and speculative postings.[/QUOTE]
You wrote in your earlier post that COTH was ignoring information regarding the necropsy and toxicology that was provided to the USEF before this hearing. I am merely suggesting that you provide that information here, since your complaint is that it was ignored. How do you expect us to have an informed opinion without full access to the facts? It is lack of facts that leads to speculation.
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