Ok, really peeps, the Larry and Kelly gig is up, they know it, we know it, usef knows it. it OVER. Thanks to what USEF did by making it so public, everyone has a clue.
So let go on about our business of enjoying our horses. Continue the fight against the cheaters and have some fun.
Ok, really peeps, the Larry and Kelly gig is up, they know it, we know it, usef knows it. it OVER. Thanks to what USEF did by making it so public, everyone has a clue.
So let go on about our business of enjoying our horses. Continue the fight against the cheaters and have some fun.
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LOL. That’s how the vast majority of us show horses, because we can’t get to enough shows for the points we garner to matter. ;)[/QUOTE]
I’m confused. I thought we were talking about horses of the caliber that Glefke sells. Very few people will buy a horse upwards of $200,000 that cannot be campaigned to some extent.
Not all of the horses caught with drugs in their system are six-figure horses. A disproportionate number, perhaps, but not all.
I thought I read that their barm manager was also set down for the 6 months of Larry’s suspension that starts on February 1st.
I rode at a barn for a VERY short time where the owners were sticking their own horses for their lessons :eek:
Lord, you should have seen them at the local shows–zombies!
Someone mentioned either here or in another thread that the FEI had far fewer drug infractions than USEF. I’d point out that a large number of those were in UAE endurance which is a huge scandal. The FEI has been attempting to clean UAE Endurance up for several years now and has been unable to change their culture to date.
So those who say it’s a culture problem have another situation to use as evidence.
One related question about FEI versus USEF - does the FEI test for GABA?
I ask this, because if I remember correctly several hunter drug suspensions have been contested, with the argument being that GABA is a naturally occurring substance and that the testing is flawed and results in false positives.
But if that was the case, and FEI also tests for GABA, then I’d expect to see positives at the FEI level as well…
once a microchipping rule is firmly in place and policed, it will be easier to suspend the horses as well
One related question about FEI versus USEF - does the FEI test for GABA?
Gabapentin came up on their database when I searched for GABA. If it isn’t the same as GABA, then the FEI doesn’t test for it. It’s not on their list of “Threshold Substances”.
Product Details
Common Trade Names
Aclonium, Gabapentin, Neurontin, Normatol, Novo-Gabapentin
Active Substance
Gabapentin
FEI Classification:
Prohibited Substance - Banned
Definition
Anti-epileptic
Information
It is used for the treatment of epilepsy and neuropathic pain.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the FEI adding GABA now that the USEF has established a threshold, though, and possibly researching a threshold for magnesium also.
vineyridge, Gabapentin is not the same as GABA (gamma-Aminobutyric acid)
The FEI drug substance database came up with no results for gamma-Aminobutyric acid.
It comes up if you type in GABA:
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The FEI drug substance database came up with no results for gamma-Aminobutyric acid.[/QUOTE]
Hydroxy-gamma amino butyric acid (Hydroxy-GABA)
FEI CLASSIFICATION:
Prohibited Substance - Banned
DEFINITION
Inhibitory neurotransmitter
INFORMATION
BANNED SUBSTANCE, EFFECTIVE 24 JULY 2012 The FEI issued a warning on 25 April 2012 against the use of Hydroxy-GABA; this substance will be added to the FEI Equine Prohibited Substances List following the 90 day implementation period. Starting immediately, any request to an FEI Official/ Veterinary Delegate to adminster a sustance containing Hydroxy-GABA at an FEI Event will not be permitted.
PRODUCT DETAILS
COMMON TRADE NAMES
Carolina Gold
ACTIVE SUBSTANCE
Gamma amino butyric acid (GABA)
FEI CLASSIFICATION:
Prohibited Substance - Banned
DEFINITION
Inhibitory neurotransmitter
INFORMATION
BANNED SUBSTANCE, EFFECTIVE 24 JULY 2012 The FEI issued a warning on 25 April 2012 against the use of GABA; this substance will be added to the FEI Equine Prohibited Substances List following the 90 day implementation period. Starting immediately, any request to an FEI Official/ Veterinary Delegate to adminster a sustance containing GABA at an FEI Event will not be permitted.
The trade names used may be different in your country therefore it is imperative you always use the database to check for active substances rather than trade names.
Although FEI has taken all reasonable care that the information contained within the Website is accurate at the time of publication, no representation or guarantee (including liability towards third parties), expressed or implied, is made as to its accuracy, reliability or completeness.
I let people know exactly what I think of Chad on Facebook…and since then have seen those "promoted " posts pop up twice on my feed saying “so and so likes CK Sporthorses.” Never fails to shock me who likes his business, and some of them are the same folks who hit the like button when E. Mandarino posts about her ponies for sale and training business. She tried to post sales in two groups I run that are strictly no sales, and multiple people were sharing her sales pony photos. And liking her page. When I pointed out the whole Devon debacle, she had the nerve to message me and try to make out like she never did anything wrong. But the saddest part was seeing she still has clients buying from her. Folks, she doesn’t do anything another professional wouldn’t happily do for you. Only when the money doesn’t flow will the folks doing wrong stop doing it. USEF can do whatever they want but if the Farmer/Glefke duo keeps making money hand over fist then they will never go away just find a different way to cheat.
I don’t know what the answer is, really. Or if there even is a perfect solution.
Can dopping be equated to horse abuse not just cheating? Then maybe a lifetime suspension, like Barney Ward, might help. I do not know the answer but it is so harmful to the horses. You would think people would be ashamed.
Can a license to operate a business as a trainer be lost? If a doctor causes harm through neglect they can lose their means of practicing… Make it more about the horse and maybe that would help… JMHO
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I let people know exactly what I think of Chad on Facebook…and since then have seen those "promoted " posts pop up twice on my feed saying “so and so likes CK Sporthorses.” Never fails to shock me who likes his business, and some of them are the same folks who hit the like button when E. Mandarino posts about her ponies for sale and training business. She tried to post sales in two groups I run that are strictly no sales, and multiple people were sharing her sales pony photos. And liking her page. When I pointed out the whole Devon debacle, she had the nerve to message me and try to make out like she never did anything wrong. But the saddest part was seeing she still has clients buying from her. Folks, she doesn’t do anything another professional wouldn’t happily do for you. Only when the money doesn’t flow will the folks doing wrong stop doing it. USEF can do whatever they want but if the Farmer/Glefke duo keeps making money hand over fist then they will never go away just find a different way to cheat.
I don’t know what the answer is, really. Or if there even is a perfect solution.[/QUOTE]
Saw CK post a new horse on his Instagram video feed yesterday. I have no doubt people will still buy from him. Still seeing people comment positive things on his sale photos and show photos of horses previously sold. 
My reply function still isn’t working but Alittlegray- I was thinking this AM as I quickly responded to a FB IM that HOLY SHEETZ did the juniors and mommy-dearest come OUT OF THE WOODWORK to post on his FB page how much they LOOOVVVVVE him and how HELPFUL he’s been and how AWESOME he is.
So I’m not “friends” with him but 3-4 of my close, BNT AND a very respected BNO “liked” some posts about how great he is.
I thought- OMG what does someone have to do for everyone to realize IT’S NOT OK!!!
The most interesting to me is a very well-liked trainer with a minor mass following also shoves multiple “legal” concoctions down show horses throat and it isn’t like this person hides it. Holy crow but people, including some regular posters on this board, extol this person. I guess they can’t break the “connection” since what this person does is “legal”. And this person has a baby face, nice as pie, a little ray of sunshine.
Rambling post that is really just more of a musing as to why the masses follow. I’m hoping that sometime in my lifetime, a trainer/rider will come along and blow everyone away without the use of concoctions and WIN.
To be fair, over the years I’ve “liked” pages on Facebook for various reasons. That doesn’t mean I know the person, or even remember I liked the page. Because… Facebook.
The Facebook support for Chad Keenum shows what the real problem is: a culture that accepts drugging. When words like “mistake” and “misfortune” are used to describe the offender, it is clear USEF has a long and difficult road leading equine welfare.
The Facebook support for Chad Keenum shows what the real problem is: a culture that accepts drugging. When words like “mistake” and “misfortune” are used to describe the offender, it is clear USEF has a long and difficult road to travel for equine welfare.
At least in my mind there is a difference between someone who gives therapeutic drugs that are allowed, in the allowed doses (whether I want it done to my horse is a different question) and someone who gives more than is permitted and/or gives prohibited substances.
I know of some BNTs who are MASTERS when it comes to giving ALLOWED substances in the ALLOWED quantities. Carefully timing and combining to get the maximum possible result while being inside the lines of the rules. I know I don’t want to show that way, but I can accept that. It’s not violating the rules. It’s allowed. Whether it’s a good idea or not is a different question, but it’s within the letter of the rule and so anyone can do the same if they like. That is VERY different than giving something like GABA that is clearly prohibited in all ways.
