jhg140 sorry I missed your post. So she can buy and sell. Ugh. That’s where the real money is. Showing and winning pretty much pays for the cost of showing. Since she won’t be showing she may even save some money during her suspension.
“It seems to be all over social media this morning–email from USEF, posts on their Facebook, etc. I wonder if they’re hoping that even more than the financial hit and timeout, that in this day and age the public backlash might actually serve as more of a deterrent than anything the USEF can throw at them. [INDENT]
I don’t ever remember seeing this kind of publicity for a suspension before, but I think it’s a positive development, and there should be more openness about it.”
While they’re at it, I’ve thought for years there should be a way to search the USEF site for past disciplinary actions. That way people looking for a new trainer would have a reliable way to find out the history on potential options.
There’s a world of difference between someone who has never had a single infraction, and somebody who’s gotten set down every couple of years for decades, but the USEF site doesn’t make it easy to tell which is which, even though the suspensions are a matter of public record once they’re published. [/INDENT]
“Here is my question though. While Kelley is suspended, she can still buy and sell and school horses right? She’s not banned from the sport really, just from Usef. So she could sell Unexpected despite the fact that she drugged the horse? And she could profit as if she hadn’t been banned? Anyone know?”
All correct under the current rules.
Commissions don’t equal profit/income. Yes, they sold $$$ horses. And they also probably have huge overhead for their barn, feed/bedding, labor costs, show costs, etc. etc. They may be making a healthy profit, they may not.
Bottom line-- I know few people, rich or not, who relish paying a $20,000 fine, being publicly outed, and having to sit out for 1-2 years. No one, rich or not, wants to be the first one to get the “big penalty” from the USEF. No one.
Yeah, the world will keep turning for them. But I bet they wish they hadn’t been sanctioned this much (or at all) and it IS different than a 1 month suspension and $1000 fine. Even for a very wealthy person, $20,000 is a chunk of change.
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Do you think there will ever come a time when repeat offenders will ever be set down for an indeterminate time, i.e lifetime suspensions?[/QUOTE]
Apparently not. These two scumbags are repeat offenders. Evidently, you have to kill horses for profit before the USEF will suspend you for life.
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I was under the impression that 3 times and you are out. This is Larry’s third suspension, shouldn’t he have had a lifetime suspension?
Suspending the horse would have an impact and I think it should be seriously considered as the horse is the center of the operation. But it would hurt a lot of great horses. Weighing these ethical issues is incredibly complex. I don’t want to hurt great horses. But I also don’t want my beloved horse to be hurt by competing against drugged animals. Ugh. This sport is so damn dirty it stinks.
I hate to say it, but part of the problem belongs with all of us, because we tolerate this.
Same story, 3rd (or 100th!) verse. Some big scandalous information comes out about a top rider or trainer or barn. There’s a COTH thread and some internet outrage.
And then everything goes back to normal. No one really cares. Because if they did, they’d do something. Like stop buying horses from these people. Stop giving rides to them. Boo them when they come in the ring. Publicly disgrace them. SOMETHING which actually means we all care.
But we don’t.
As a culture, we accept it.
Which was shown when Tori Colvin was interviewed after the Parker/Tolvin debacle and she said something to the affect of how her life hadn’t changed at all, it was business as usual.
Or how when all the Heritage documents came out showing medication charges and all sorts of crazy stuff…and yet they have a more than full client list of people willing to do whatever it takes to reach the top.
Or Kelley Farmer, who people will ooh and ahh over after watching her lay down a derby trip and then bemoan her when she gets caught (again) for drugging.
HalleFrickinLujah to the Federation from growing a set. At least it’s better than the past has been. And kudos for emailing it out (tasteless? really?) after burying the notices of penalty several clicks into the website behind a paywall, where you couldn’t find them unless you knew where to look, or were helped there by COTH or HSD.
Doesn’t every big show have a vet on call for emergencies? There is no reason at all that any official vet couldn’t draw a tube of blood, do whatever is necessary, and ship that tube to the drug testing lab.
The very idea that the USEF needs “official drug testers” to draw blood is ridiculous.
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Maybe----USEF needs to change something that effects all horses own by a suspended member.
- At the time of the initial hearing … any & all horses owned or partially owned by the suspended person will be flagged.
- If that horse/horses are sold or leased from the TIME of the hearing till the END of the actual suspension date…
- That horse/horses may show, however… no points will count & the horse may not accept ANY prize money.
This will make anyone think twice about buying a horse from a suspended person .
Maybe----USEF needs to change something that effects all horses own by a suspended member.
- At the time of the initial hearing … any & all horses owned or partially owned by the suspended person will be flagged.
- If that horse/horses are sold or leased from the TIME of the hearing till the END of the actual suspension date…
- That horse/horses may show, however… no points will count & the horse may not accept ANY prize money.
This will make anyone think twice about buying a horse from a suspended person .
A REAL impact
I was involved for many years in dog showing . When one was “suspended” in the AKC one lost ALL privileges…entering shows, registering dogs in one’s name, showing AND transferring ownership of any dogs (buying or selling). Fines were levied in addition to this. Thus, if one is “suspended” one lost ALL privileges afforded members in good standing. People are saying Kelly and Larry can still sell horses for $. Suspending ALL USEF privileges would prevent that .
Those fines are big! I remembered today, after reading the email, that I heard from a trainer that Larry had refused to let a horse be drug tested in Aiken in 2015. Anyone else hear that? I heard that story a couple of times that year and also heard that USEF were going to give them a big suspension as a result.
Makes me wonder now if indeed they did not cooperate with USEF and this fine was bigger as a result.
I know Scott Stewart has had several fines. This was his last one…$1500. So that doesn’t explain the huge fine for repeated offenses that Larry and Kelley received.
For this violation it was determined that SCOTT STEWARTbe censured pursuant to Chapter 7, GR703.1a and fined $1,500 (enhanced due to prior violations) pursuant toChapter 7, GR703.1j. It was further directed that for this violation of the rules, all trophies, prizes, ribbons, andmonies, if any, won by TRUST at said competition must be redistributed pursuant to Chapter 7, GR703.1g.I believe the fines and penalties are lighter for infractions involving above-the-limit-levels on drugs that are allowed under the rules. Like bute or banamine in Scott Stewart’s case, if I recall correctly.
The stiffer penalties come up for drugs that are not allowed in any amount.
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That being said, I can only think of one other time off the top of my head when someone was set down for this long for a D&M violation, although I don’t remember the dollar amount of the fine.
MHM, in Scott’s last case it was cetirizine which isn’t allowed at all correct?
Limerick, I don’t know. I was thinking of a suspension he had a few years back, which I believe was for either bute or banamine.
Didn’t Kelley’s Mom Bibby Farmer get suspended for GABA last year?
