Using Ace while hunting?

Lookin’ South asked: “Interesting. Why is that?? Are the horses not sane enough to go out undrugged??”

I would venture to say that most of them are sane enough without the chemistry. If they aren’t (long term), it’s really better for horse and rider the horse is given some other job, he and his rider will be happier and safer.

Many times in my experience, the horse is ‘aced’ because of rider confidence issues. I had a friend who would even ‘pretend’ to administer ace because of rider requests. Riders, thinking horses were aced, were relaxed, and so the horses were relaxed, too. Other times, it’s just a training short cut.

I share Just My Style’s opinion. I’d really rather just take however long it takes for a horse to learn, and be relaxed, for whatever task is at hand. I’ve had friends purchase or borrow horses from one trainer who is known to train ‘on ace’ and makes no secret of it. The friends were disappointed in those horses’ skills, particularly over fences. I also, decades ago, helped to completely reschool a former AHSA working hunter champion (national) who had been trained and shown exclusively on the needle. It took us two years and a lot of patience, but that horse was terrific, a solid and happy citizen, and we even got him out hunting as I recall.

Ace can be a useful tool for a lot of different things. But I would say I don’t approve when it’s used as a crutch or short cut instead of a tool.

Back in VA, it was called “kool aid” when my ex wanted to get into the hunting scene. It amazed me how casually it was given to the horses. We were told to give 1cc in mouth in the trailer, no big deal, everyone does it, blahblahblah.
We aced one of the greenies one time. She was calmer out there, but felt clumsy on her feet (not a good feeling going through hazards) and she started “coming out of it” at almost the end of the ride. Cold sweat/clammy skin, started looking around like “where am I?”. I think that was more scary than her being clumsy!
I never did that again. She was more of a handful the next time out, but neither of us ever considered doing that again.
When I bought my pony, they told me he hilltopped. Well, come to find out AFTER I purchased him (I inquired because he was a spaz when out with other horses and the young daughter slipped info to me) that they had gone first flight with him and aced him on the hunts. “Just ace him” was the response.

Nope, won’t do it.

Amen,
W W!

Hey, I am a big believer in consulting the experts-one double blind trial is worth all the apocraphal (sp) stories in the world. That said I consulted the local University’s vet school and my very respected vet. The vet school told me of a study done with racehorses in which they were given ace. Up to 1cc resulted in no more accidents then not using ace. My vet agreed whole heartedly. I’ve never had a vet tell me ace could cause a horse to have an embolism etc.-I guess if you gave one enough you could make his heart stop.

I think the key is to use responsibly in correct dose. For a green horse who is going to get very wound up and end up with a bad experience for horse and rider-a bit of ace is no big deal. If a horse is untrained or just insane no amount of ace will make him safe or enjoyable in the field. I’ve started 2 horses on a bit of ace for their first few hunts-they did learn, were soon not using ace, and had IMHO a much better experience than otherwise. Huntin’Fool

My vet is in this camp, too. Whenever making a decision about medical care, “Dr. Internet” is not always to be trusted. My vet pokes fun at me for reading the forums (even though I have learned a lot here.)

LookinSouth – Were you at the clinic at Tyrone Farm this past weekend??

I would try the drug out before the hunt. I had a mare that ace made worst not better!

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LookinSouth – Were you at the clinic at Tyrone Farm this past weekend??[/QUOTE]

Yes I was :). I was on a big chestnut Gelding and rode with my friend on a Dark Bay w/ white blaze/socks Gelding.

I have never aced to hunt but have aced to work in crowds. I would not hesitate to give a low dose of Ace for the first few hunts if I had a horse that had a lot of anxst over it. I would not continue to hunt a horse that needed ace on a regular basis.

I agree that most people including myself use ACE often when hunting. It should only be used by someone who knows how to use it and what the effect is on their horse. After all, hunting is not a competition. You are only doing it for your own enjoyment and a little ACE can turn a miserable day into a wonderful experience. However, If your horse requires more than 1/2 to 1cc, then perhaps he should find another job. He obviously isn’t meant to be in the hunt field!. Just remember as you are jigging and spinning around that you are not only having a bad day yourself but you are probably ruining someone elses day too!

if you cant control your horse then you shouldnt do the disapline