Vet Eliminating Farm Calls

I have two horses. I average three vet visits per year and have for the past decade (even w a higher number of horses). $1800 membership fee for the year would be a bit high for me for the vet. The way it works w my human Dr, is that $1800 fee doesn’t buy anything but the ability to use the clinic. It’s not chipping in towards my co pays etc. Logically, paying the equivalent of 12 farm call fees to gain access to 3 farm calls (which I will be billed for) is a bit steep. Particularly when I live around the corner from the vet now and am in the under $50 farm call area due to proximity. If my preferred vet announced he wanted some sort of fee to remain a client I would pay, just not quite as high as I pay for my own Dr.

Perhaps if I had more horses or if I was keeping high level competition horses that needed more vet support I would feel differently. Or if I was a wealthy person.

When my Dr started the group thing, current patients were grandfathered in at a lower cost for the annual fee.

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Following up on this idea more. I think this could be useful for practices bringing on a new associate. IME clients prefer to use the senior vet(s). One strategy might be to employ the “concierge” concept here. Want to stay on Sr Vet’s patient list, $500 annual fee otherwise use new associate.

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Just wanted to say thank you to LCDR. Veterinary practice is unbearably fraught sometimes. Suicides among vets way up. No one wants to be without care, but I wonder how many of these folks have nearly fallen off the cliff mentally themselves.

That’s not to say that patients should be left without care, and to the OP who left specific instructions that were ignored, it’s not surprising that vet had a hard time. Your situation also makes me wonder how many new vets going into large animal practice have sufficient horse experience to keep themselves safe without supervision. It sounds like this young lady may not have. Of course I don’t know her so can’t say for sure, but the situation certainly begs the question.

Over the past 15 years or so, I have definitely noticed a shift to more equine vets traveling with their own tech. Even very experienced vets.

About 7ish years ago my vet canceled a scheduled appointment for vaccines, coggins, and teeth because his tech called out sick. I was miffed at first, especially since my vet and his staff knew I was also a tech and more than capable of holding horses for him. But the more I thought about it, I realized it may be an insurance/liability issue in addition to his own safety.

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I once got a small break on a bill as I assisted vet and tech with another boarder’s horse during a treatment that needed more hands. Doctoring on horses can be very dangerous and require quite a bit of manpower

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Tangent, but I just watched a popular farmer on YouTube whose bull was non weight bearing on a front leg for 5 days, they trailered it to the barn till it stopped wanting to get up, then they trailered it to the slaughterhouse because they decided it was a shoulder injury. It could barely move for a week and not once did they seek vet help or give it pain meds. The comments section was full of “sorry for your loss” and the like but everyone accepted as normal this treatment. This is in a place with very good vets close by!

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I would guess the reasoning there (not giving pain meds) was that there is withdraw time on meds given to meat animals. So adding meds would have limited the ability to slaughter for meat this animal.

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But they still could have had a vet out to diagnose vs waiting a week

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Actually my very experienced vet (also former event rider) has gone largely the same route, but he and his tech will travel to our area on specific days of the week, or we can trailer to the clinic. He also will come out for emergencies. So I feel we are well covered. I have both hauled to the clinic for routine stuff and had them out to the farm when our truck was recently out of commission.

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Yes, they could have had the vet out but most likely would not have changed the outcome.

I would find a new vet.
At the very least she should have offered trailering in 1st to see how the response would be and maybe offer discounts for ship in visits to insentivise clients.

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Agreed, except a week of abject pain could have been reduced to a day or two.

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Yeah, allowing food animals to be in pain is very normalized. Yes, sometimes it’s a meat or milk withdrawal issue but any farmer who waits 5 days before doing something about a non-weight-bearing bull is an @$$ in my book. A bull is not a meat animal, it is an animal you have decided to keep and therefore you must care for it. You bring it up, assess it and make a decision, with or without a vet.

I attended a pain symposium on food animals. The teacher was trying to convince food animal production folks to give a single dose of pain medication for treatments like tail docking. Those animals are not going to go to slaughter within the withdrawal period of any approved pain medication on the market. But it takes time and it costs a couple bucks and who cares? It’s just a lamb/piglet/calf/whatever.

Here’s my story: barn burned down. Nearly every animal in it either died in the fire or died shortly after. I was called out weeks later to do health certificates on the cattle and pigs who had been donated to the little psychopath who burned the barn down. Yes, that’s right. Their kid burned the barn down. Set a fire, saw it catch and walked away and let it spread rather than tell somebody. Didn’t try to let one of the dozens of animals out of the barn and that included a litter of puppies from their dog. His mother point blank told me he hadn’t shown any remorse about it in all those weeks, which might have been a knee jerk way of hiding his actual grief and feelings. Whether he was actually a psychopath or grieving, he needed therapy. Of course, they weren’t going to do that. The community rallied around him and gave him new animals to go to the 4-H fair with, so clearly he wasn’t even going to learn a material lesson. While I was there I was asked to look at the one survivor. A sow with major burns including almost her entire back. They had kept her alive for weeks as she slowly worsened. They were applying silver sulfa to the wounds and that was it. She’d at one point been mobile, but had gone down in the back end and was now dragging herself through the dirty pen. I suspect it was because the infection in her wounds had eaten down to her spine and caused paralysis. I recommended immediate euthanasia. I offered to do it. I offered to show them where to shoot her. I offered to find someone who would shoot her. They wanted to “keep trying,” essentially so that they could say at least one animal survived the fire their child set. I recommended Banamine. They refused. I saw them later and they told me they’d killed the pig about a week after I saw her. Weeks and weeks of suffering. There is no way that infected animal was fit for consumption. There was literally no reason not to purchase a $25.00 bottle of Banamine from me. She had a right to not suffer but they saw her only as an object. And that is just one of many stories I will think about for the rest of my life. Welcome to medicine. It will eat you from the inside out.

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That’s horrific! I grew up in the middle of a sheep farm so I know the margins are slim, but there’s no reason to make an animal suffer. Kill it and be done.

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Here on our damp islands on the Atlantic shores of Europe, admission to veterinary medicine is highly competitive and it is an expensive course so people graduate with debt (though nothing like that in USA). The reality of practice life often isn’t what newly minted vets were expecting even though they have to see some practice before they even start university. It is an issue. The profession is now predominantly female and part-time working is common but staff retention can still be a problem. Hours are long, the work is physically hard and emotionally demanding, client expectations are often unreasonable, payment can be slow etc etc Burnout happens and the suicide rate remains distressingly high.

One key difference is that by law only qualified vets can treat animals in the UK. It is a monopoly. The physios, chiropractors, dentists, herbalists, spiritual healers et al have to work with the agreement of a qualified vet. Owners can not habitually get their hands on drugs to treat their horse. Vets prescribe for animals - drug safety is tightly regulated. Similarly, only a qualified farrier can shoe a horse. Successful prosecutions for illegal treatment of animals do occur. Conversely, the professional regulation of vets is tight, actually to a higher standard than for human medics, and the status of Vets is very high within the British public.

There are vanishingly few single person practices, most are multi-partner ones and most will split into “small animal” or “large animal” though many rural practices will still do some of both. Increasingly, there are practices that are specifically equine. Behind the general practices are a network of highly specialised referral practices. There are several Equine Hospitals across the country that can provide all the expensive equipment and skilled knowledge that the average practice can’t afford or justify, such as safe handling facilities for equines and the specialist veterinary nursing and technical support that leads to good treatment outcomes. University vet departments are a part of the network of referral practice: often people work in both, there is a lot of cross fertilisation.

It is a balance of owners travelling their horses to the local vet for routine work or practices covering particular areas on particular days. In emergencies, it is often quicker to travel the horse to where it will have the best care. Being the UK the distances are not as large as in the USA but it still might be a couple of hours to a specialist equestrian hospital. Where there is a concentration of horses, such as a riding school or stud or racing training yard, the vet, like the farrier, will come on a regular rotation to deal with routine matters. Vets may be employed full time by big breeding or training facilities. Emergency call outs to a stables do happen, obviously, when necessary but I suggest they are not all that common: there is generally a good working relationship between owner and vet and clients tend to ask for advice and help fairly early. They don’t expect to treat their horse themselves.

When it is necessary to put a horse to sleep, an alternative to the vet is the local hunt, who also do a professional job.

For farm livestock, veterinary medicine has moved away from reactive procedures to proactive management of welfare and biosecurity because good husbandry is very necessary to make any money in meat and milk.

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maybe it is a problem that so many new vets are women now.
the pay goes down and heart strings get plucked

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Well, if this isn’t a fairly discriminatory comment!

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It isn’t.
It is a statistically verified issue we are having when occupations are gender specific and the polarity shifts.
Jobs previously held by men exculsively payd well, until they made room for women.
Various causes, the effect is the same.

Also, women are treated largely differently than men, even as professionals.
I am sure female vets are more often met with mooncalf eyes and have their judgment questioned than their male counterparts.

Because you don’t like the message does not mean it is not a correct assertion of thesis in this case.

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I’m so sorry for you, all those animals and that poor pig. You tried, you really did. Those parents have psychopathic tendencies with having no empathy as well and that kid is definitely a psychopath. Someone needs to keep an eye on him.

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Discriminatory, but perhaps accurate? There’s a lot of reliable research on women’s negotiating for higher pay compared to men. Women tend not to value themselves as highly as male applicants for the same positions. Hopefully that is changing, but it’s been the reality, sadly.

Women’s historic hesitancy to advocate for better pay for themselves I think reflects a societal tendency to devalue the work of women. See the comparably low pay for fields historically dominated by women. Again, hopefully that is changing, but women still earn only 80 cents for every dollar a man earns. We have a ways to go.

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