The woman should be prosecuted for animal cruelty. That conviction should be sufficient to take her vet license - and hopefully keep her away from teaching children in school (as was suggested above). She sounds crazy to me. I did read the screen shot of her loving to kill - and that didn’t sound like any hunter I have ever heard talk about hunting. A “hunter” and a “killer” are not the same thing. People can pretend that she is a good vet, or even assume it, but there is no way that someone who has this little compassion is a good vet or would be a good hunter. She is crazy. Animal abusers such as she is often need more “kill” than simply an animal.
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I don’t know for a fact about the steel jaw trap. However, it does appear in the picture (not all places are showing the entire picture) that the poor cat’s leg is severed. I am not sure if that means it was caught in the trap and then she shot it. It’s actually so horrible that I don’t really want to think about it. Really, really awful. It is still difficult to understand how someone who went through 4 years of vet school could do such a thing.[/QUOTE]
I haven’t looked at the video, but read somewhere (possibly on this thread) that the cat’s leg was mangled by a steel jaw trap (very cruel trap to set in your yard, also).
The vet clinic acted well and fired her immediately and the vet school (Colorado State University) has disavowed her actions, too - though my personal opinion of CSU is they do not approach veterinary ethics in a top notch manner and do not instill ethics and caring in their students.
[QUOTE=Coyoteco;8113653]
The woman should be prosecuted for animal cruelty. That conviction should be sufficient to take her vet license - and hopefully keep her away from teaching children in school (as was suggested above). She sounds crazy to me. I did read the screen shot of her loving to kill - and that didn’t sound like any hunter I have ever heard talk about hunting. A “hunter” and a “killer” are not the same thing. People can pretend that she is a good vet, or even assume it, but there is no way that someone who has this little compassion is a good vet or would be a good hunter. She is crazy. Animal abusers such as she is often need more “kill” than simply an animal.[/QUOTE]
I think often the word “good” is substituted for “competent” or “capable” when describing vets. I’ve never used her or this clinic (though we’re not too far up the road), so I can’t tell if that’s what’s happening here. If a vet came to my barn, diagnosed/gave shots to/drew blood/whatever for my horse without maiming it, charging me an arm and a leg, or missing a diagnosis, I’d probably describe them as a “good vet” YMMV.
As far as teaching children, far worse things are going on in Texas public schools than having a “sociopath” or two teach junior high science. Ask me how I know.
I didn’t want to see even a still, but it showed up right away upon googling. Did she shoot the cat while it was in the trap? Some hunter. Leg was completely gone so maybe it was out of the trap? Is any of this clear? Regardless, this is to me a horrifying scenario all the way around.
This wasn’t a feral cat, and as has been pointed out, few localities anywhere have leash laws for cats. It didn’t look feral at all – good weight and coat, etc.
Turns out it was a pet missing less than a day. How is shooting any wandering animal without any investigation into the situation becoming acceptable practice by so many? Again – cat. No leash laws for cats, right? Huh, we just steel jaw trap and shoot with any cat we see now? And I am aware of the damage cats can cause, but still I question this as an apparent first response to a sighting of an animal of a domestic species.
And her “I’m awesome” and “I won’t be fired” attitude and her beaming picture with the cat – really seems on the face of it to raise questions of narcissistic and psychopathic traits (which exist on a continuum, of course).
Kudos to the clinic for terminating this individual promptly.
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NP inca 
I hope she is able to resurrect her career somehow. It sounds like she was a very competent equine vet, and we can’t have too many of them around.
She isn’t the first person to make a horrible career mistake and certainly won’t be the last.[/QUOTE]
Uhh, I do NOT hope she can resurrect her career. She does not deserve to be around animals at all, much less get PAID for it! Having just lost my kitty to cancer about two weeks ago, this situation makes me extra ill. It’s bad enough to lose a cherished pet to something that no one could prevent or cure. Losing a cat at the hands of a psychopath veterinarian that literally hunted your pet for sport? I can’t even imagine.
Disgusting act, narcassistic To post it.
For what it’s worth, she won’t be welcome in the research community.
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Oh, okay - since you bolded it with no explanation, I thought you were posting that she had not been fired. And I am afraid others would think that as well.
Yes, she was supremely confident, perhaps borderline narcissistic. If she has not already been, she will be humbled by the time this is all over. Hopefully she learns some valuable lessons from this horrific act and its ramifications.
I can’t begin to tell you how shocked I was to see this on my Facebook feed (a friend posted it - I was not Facebook friends with Dr. Lindsey) Friday morning. I couldn’t believe I was looking at someone that had treated my horses and had been to my place twice in just the past month! Just goes to show that you never really know what people are really like…[/QUOTE]
No narcissists are never humbled. Circuitry isn’t there. In her mind she will never be responsible for what happens to her. It will always be someone else’s fault. In this case the cat will be to blame and all the cat lovers who don’t understand the glory of her first bow kill.
[QUOTE=twelvegates;8113543]NP inca
I hope she is able to resurrect her career somehow. It sounds like she was a very competent equine vet, and we can’t have too many of them around.
She isn’t the first person to make a horrible career mistake and certainly won’t be the last.[/QUOTE]Nope, I for one do not want to see her with access to controlled substances. Also reading the one part in her blog I have to wonder about her knowledge of basic physiology. She talks about killing things, animals, whiskey and hangovers. How to prevent hangovers is easy, something she should have figured out in her undergrad classes. I know I figured it out in my first anatomy and physiology class. And not it’s not don’t drink in the first place (though that is my main method), but drink a ton of water before you go to bed. No hangover the next day. So apparently not very good at applying what she learns.
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I’d also question how much it would really serve the collective good for her veterinary education and abilities to go to waste while she wiles away her life as a cashier at Burger Barn. It seems like supervised community service working at a shelter or low-cost clinic would be more appropriate, but hey, as long as righteous indignation is satisfied all around…[/QUOTE] you know I had a friend of mine whose daughter was raped. That’s almost the exact question the mother of the guy who raped her asked. All his training in the National Guard and as a teacher was going to go to waste if my friends daughter pressed charges. How could she do that. Sorry that guy threw that away ( and he didn’t even go on facebook and brag about it), just as this woman threw her education and training away. And actually I have been hearing from friends who have relatives who are recent vet school graduates, jobs in the field aren’t that plentiful.
In a strange way. it’s really a good thing she posted the photo/comments, because now she has outed herself FOREVER via the internet. This will and SHOULD follow her for the rest of her pathetic life.
Her words and actions show what a psycho lies behind that pretty facade. Methinks she will not be very employable-in any field.
This makes me rethink the whole “shooting a feral animal on your own property” thing. I didn’t read the shooting feral dogs thread, but I have seen lots of posters commenting that they have done this, and will again. So I get that. But then…how do you know it’s feral? Sure, you can evaluate the condition and behaviors of an animal to a certain extent, but you can’t know for sure. I’ve seen skinny, anti-social pets; I’ve also seen fat, sleek feral animals.
So sad for the cat’s owners. 
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…Unfortunately, the cat killed by this person had no collar. No tag. Nothing to distinguish it from any other cat including feral cats. It wasn’t on its own property - it was roaming and hunting like a feral animal. If it was also caught in a leg trap that means it certainly was beyond its owners property and in the domain of someone else’s property where wildlife was being actively and/or routinely hunted…[/QUOTE]
Penal Code 42.09 Animal Cruelty. Any person who shoots a non-livestock animal, which includes any stray or feral cat or dog, and a wild living creature previously captured, can be charged with a felony offense. Penal Code 42.092 of the State of Texas law states that a person must have the owner’s consent to kill the animal (exceptions to prosecution are provided in Section 42.092(e)(1)).
I’m very late to the party, but it would seem that even if the cat was a feral, it was still against the law.
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you know I had a friend of mine whose daughter was raped. That’s almost the exact question the mother of the guy who raped her asked. All his training in the National Guard and as a teacher was going to go to waste if my friends daughter pressed charges. How could she do that. Sorry that guy threw that away ( and he didn’t even go on facebook and brag about it), just as this woman threw her education and training away. And actually I have been hearing from friends who have relatives who are recent vet school graduates, jobs in the field aren’t that plentiful.[/QUOTE]
Riiiight. Because raping a human woman and disposing of a random cat that was caught in a trap in your yard are completely analogous. If it had been a raccoon, NO ONE would care. The picture she posted is only considered “sick” because we have a rather arbitrary affection for cats as a species.
It’s very unfortunate if indeed the cat was someone’s beloved pet - has the cat’s identity actually been confirmed? - and Lindsey’s attitude about the whole thing is deeply off-putting, but I’m not sure how anyone, based on the facts available, can be so sure she’ll be convicted of a crime. Was the trap illegal in the first place? If the cat had been hit by a car but not fatally, do you really think she’d have been charged for euthing it without the owner’s consent?
Yep…
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This makes me rethink the whole “shooting a feral animal on your own property” thing. I didn’t read the shooting feral dogs thread, but I have seen lots of posters commenting that they have done this, and will again. So I get that. But then…how do you know it’s feral? Sure, you can evaluate the condition and behaviors of an animal to a certain extent, but you can’t know for sure. I’ve seen skinny, anti-social pets; I’ve also seen fat, sleek feral animals.
So sad for the cat’s owners. :([/QUOTE]
It is very hard to tell. I just saw a found dog ad in a breed related facebook group. The dog was found in shock in a very unkept state. It turned out she had only been lost for a couple of days. The owners had taken pictures before she got out, and she looked like a totally different dog. I hate the development in my area, but the nice thing is that the animal shelter is so good and works hard to return animals to their owners or adopts them out if they check out okay. I try to support them because it is so nice knowing that they will treat the sick and injured.
You know, if she had posted her gleeful picture and words with a raccoon or possum I’d still be disgusted. It is the gloating, almost joyous tone of her message that bothers me most. The idea that someone gets that much satisfaction from the death of an animal you would not eat (this is my issue with trophy hunting/predator hunting) is abhorrent to me. It’s the idea that she shot an animal with an arrow–that’s up close and personal-- who was either trapped or she was “hunting” pet type animals that gets folks. Truly, I think she’s a bit warped.
http://www.drandyroark.com/a-murderous-boast-on-social-media-a-black-eye-for-vets/
I think this vet says it well. An embarrassment to our profession :no:
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Riiiight. Because raping a human woman and disposing of a random cat that was caught in a trap in your yard are completely analogous. If it had been a raccoon, NO ONE would care. The picture she posted is only considered “sick” because we have a rather arbitrary affection for cats as a species.
It’s very unfortunate if indeed the cat was someone’s beloved pet - has the cat’s identity actually been confirmed? - and Lindsey’s attitude about the whole thing is deeply off-putting, but I’m not sure how anyone, based on the facts available, can be so sure she’ll be convicted of a crime. Was the trap illegal in the first place? If the cat had been hit by a car but not fatally, do you really think she’d have been charged for euthing it without the owner’s consent?[/QUOTE]
What’s the same it the reason of if this person is punished <insert whatever crime you like> all the training, experience whatever that person had will be thrown away as if it would be the judicial system or the person filing the charges fault that is going to happen not the person who committed the crime.
A cat can live with 3 legs. When my dog had gotten away from the farm sitter a while back the animal control officer who found her didn’t shoot her when he saw her mangled hind leg but instead took her to the humane society. We don’t really know about that hind leg. If you look carefully at the photo you can see part of the leg is obscured by leaves and you really can’t tell if it was severed or not. I saw one post on one of the new feeds that it was but nothing anywhere else.
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You know, if she had posted her gleeful picture and words with a raccoon or possum I’d still be disgusted. It is the gloating, almost joyous tone of her message that bothers me most. The idea that someone gets that much satisfaction from the death of an animal you would not eat (this is my issue with trophy hunting/predator hunting) is abhorrent to me. It’s the idea that she shot an animal with an arrow–that’s up close and personal-- who was either trapped or she was “hunting” pet type animals that gets folks. Truly, I think she’s a bit warped.[/QUOTE]
This!
I find this appalling on so many levels. Both the picture, and the method, and of course, she was probably in the “it’s just a cat, and a feral one at that” mindset.
Arrgghhh!:mad:
I don’t know if people are just this naive or if we have embraced the “soft and fluffy” mindset.
What this girl did was in very poor taste and to advertise it was her downfall. Vets are not Saint Francis. The things I saw working for various vets makes me reluctant to use any vet. Just because someone is a vet does not mean they love animals! In fact I found that to not be the case in most instances. Vets are just people, some good, some bad, most somewhere in between.
Feral cats are a real pain. I don’t know how many my Dad killed over the years. I have one hanging around right now. I’ve tried to catch him for 2+ years but he won’t go in the trap. He beats up my “King of the Farm” cat. At some point my DH will get tired of him spraying his shop and he will disappear. As soon as I get rid of one feral cat another will soon take his place. If I can catch them and they are gentle enough I fix them and release them. If they are to nasty then I relocate them to a less populated area. This isn’t the city. I find and rehome kittens that are dumped all the time. If they stay here then the owls get them.
I know there is talk of her losing her license. I think there are worse vets out there practicing that have been allowed to keep theirs. Maybe she’s learned a big lesson from all of this. One can hope.
[QUOTE=SuckerForHorses;8113895]
I’m very late to the party, but it would seem that even if the cat was a feral, it was still against the law.[/QUOTE]
In many areas shooting feral cats is illegal. I remember a few years ago when Wisconsin tried to make it legal. That state vet in my state and I had a discussion about it and he said it is illegal in my state - and that is shooting them with a gun. This is far worse.
[QUOTE=Scaramouch;8113928]
Riiiight. Because raping a human woman and disposing of a random cat that was caught in a trap in your yard are completely analogous. If it had been a raccoon, NO ONE would care. The picture she posted is only considered “sick” because we have a rather arbitrary affection for cats as a species.
It’s very unfortunate if indeed the cat was someone’s beloved pet - has the cat’s identity actually been confirmed? - and Lindsey’s attitude about the whole thing is deeply off-putting, but I’m not sure how anyone, based on the facts available, can be so sure she’ll be convicted of a crime. Was the trap illegal in the first place? If the cat had been hit by a car but not fatally, do you really think she’d have been charged for euthing it without the owner’s consent?[/QUOTE]
Actually, both points made are incorrect.
First, the statement you condemn doesn’t attempt to equate the conduct, but discusses the ridiculous argument that someone should be above prosecution or have seriously illegal conduct excused because he/she is valuable to society in other ways. The point was very well made by the poster of that example.
Second, yes people would care if she did the same thing to a raccoon. I know in the town near me someone killed a raccoon by beating it to death and he was prosecuted for animal cruelty.
The photo was considered sick because of the manner of torture and death inflicted on the harmless animal.
eta: There actually are protocols for euthanasia. Shooting a cat with an arrow does not qualify as “euthanasia”. There has been a perversion of the word for its true definition, but even with the most lax definition/usage, the legal protocols were not met here. You can’t kill an animal in a cruel manner and meet the legal requirements for “euthanasia”.
