Voltaire is Garbage

bahah. This had me cracking up. Actually today I was cleared to ride. A head bonk a few days earlier (my head in the wrong place according to a baby horse) kept me out of the tack. Thankfully, I am not pacing my stall. However, just to clarify: I didn’t edit any of my posts. I added an addendum to the intro because I didn’t want to come off as spouting the end all be all. I’m sure people have all sorts of wonderful experiences. Voltaire said they would happily replace my saddle but as I said, that was missing the point. The terrible customer service came into play when the CEO started calling me all sorts of crap because I didn’t want the saddle fixed, in fact I wanted no Voltaire to begin with.

Anyway, happy riding!

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Thank-you for pointing this out. I think the disposable consumer nature is an excellent point!

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I wish I could blame recent head trauma but really I am and have always been a terrible speller. Thank-god for maths.

I had not a clue what you meant , I was not being snide. I would not have read your thread if I was not interested and apparently I am the only one that did not understand what you meant to write.

Do I understand your problem? I wish I could blame the bonks to my head (too bad there have been so many over decades) for my inability to do maths but I can’t…and I have no genetic excuse for my inability to process mathematics, yet there I am and have always been, an idiot where mathematics are concerned.

I come from a long line of nerds, some of language and some of mathematics .The math brain was not passed down to me, not one damn gene, and that’s a fact.

However, I can most often spell in a competent manner, unlike some of my brilliant math brained relatives. Their poor spelling, shockingly bad at times really, usually doesn’t make it through the filter of their office staff and/or editors, but I’ve had some classics from them in letters and emails.:yes:

Thankfully “spellcheck” is now ubiquitous, so rejoice!

Unfortunately no such thing is available to assist the mathematically challenged while posting online. Then again, it’s not often that I have to depend on a true understanding of math to chat casually on a horsey BB.

Go back to your original, first post, and click on “edit”. It will give you the option to change the title. IIRC.

Yes! Butet and CWD are my favorite!! we have some old CWD saddles and they are holding up in the lesson program. We also have some newer models as well and my barn is sponserd by CWD. We LOVE them!

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When we were saddle shopping a few years ago, I almost bought a Voltaire, but when I read the contract it said that the warranty was not for the professional using it on many horses. It was only for the once a day ride, five to six days a week. I thought that was a little odd, but I did not get any warm and fuzzies over that statement. The rep was boarding their horse at the same barn as me, and I knew my daughter would be riding 3-7 horses per day. I chose another brand, one that was going to be behind me no matter the usage as long as it was reasonable.

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I still ride in a 1998 Butet, fwiw.

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I think everything pertinent has been said, but from this last line alone, I hope you stick around. Nice job rolling with the boss mares, newbie! <says the ultra-beta mare, nose pointed in corner of stall).

Ace (the horse, not the drug…)

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O M G that hat thread is GOLD. I almost snorted my wine out as I was reading it. God, if only I had so little problems that a MF hat was the most of my worries…if only. Oh! not only one hat, but two…

Since the OP seems to be hell bent on bashing Voltaire and their quality, I felt the need to chime in. I own a used Voltaire Lexington (2013, so … 5 years old) and even … are you ready for it, I’m not sure if this forum can stand this blasphemy…but I even ride in gasp JEANS! sometimes and the saddle is still in excellent condition.

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I love my 2014 used Voltaire Palm Beach. Like, loveeeeeee it. It’s in wonderful condition, holds up very well and is the most comfortable, secure feeling saddle I’ve ever ridden in. You’ll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands to get me to part with it.

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I’ve never ridden in a Voltaire, so I can’t speak to their quality or their customer service, but…

Sounds like the saddle you got didn’t fit your horse. This happens, and it can happen with any brand for a variety of reasons. As others have suggested, your first call should have been to the rep so they could have had the opportunity to help you solve the problem. As a professional, you should know enough about how to fit tack (including saddles) to identify if there is a serious fit issue. Riding in a saddle to the point of rubbing your horses’ back raw is inexcusable, and that is 100% your fault. Signing a sponsorship with a brand that you had no prior experience with (and promoting that brand to your clients) seems foolish to me, but I’m sure you aren’t the first or last person to do this. Totally understandable that you now feel guilty about one of your clients buying a saddle based on your recommendation of a brand you didn’t have any experience with…

Saddle companies offer trainer incentives because they want their saddles to have visibility and they want happy professionals who will act as brand ambassadors. If after signing the contract, you went through the process of working with the company to remedy any issues, and ultimately decided you did not want to keep the saddle, my guess is that they would have allowed you to return it, and would have let you out of the agreement. Instead, you broke your contractual agreement with them by selling the saddle to someone else and then decided to trash the brand on a public forum? Again, I don’t have any personal experience with the Voltaire brand, but given the short period of time you had your saddle, and the fact that several people here have said their Voltaire saddles have held up well, I wonder if you either just got unlucky with some faulty stitching or a poor hide, or that you aren’t caring for the saddle properly.

Personally, I ride in a CWD, and love it (and I also know plenty of people who don’t love their CWDs). When I ordered it, the rep suggested that I might prefer grain leather or buffalo rather than calf because of potential wear (I was riding 5-7 horses a day at that point). I went with calf anyways, always take great care of it, and several years on it’s still in great shape and is holding up nicely. At my barn we had a few Childeric saddles for lesson horses. They aren’t my personal favourite to ride in, but they do the job well enough. Do they look brand new? Nope, not at all. Between extensive use and the dubious cleaning methods employed by children those saddles have had hard lives, but several years on they are still functional and doing the job in reasonable style. I’ve seen Butet’s from the 90’s that are still trucking (some in better shape than others) and I’ve also seen 1-2 year old Butet’s/Childeric’s/CWDs etc in horrible condition… good care plays a big role too, not just the amount of use!

As far as I’m concerned, when I’m looking to buy a saddle for myself or for a client, it’s about how it fits to horse and the position it puts the rider in. From past experiences, I don’t think that saddle reps are always very good or very reliable at fitting saddles, and ordering a brand new custom saddle has always been a bit of a gamble re: fit. I’ve been pretty lucky in the past, but in general I’d prefer to buy gently used rather than new so I can try it on the horse and ride in it.

As an aside: As a junior, I rode with a BNT whose barn was at one point sponsored by CWD. Plenty of clients bought CWDs and plenty rode in other brands. It was common knowledge that the trainer was getting saddles and tack credits based on the fact that clients were buying saddles. As far as I know, nobody had a problem with that, and I can tell you that just about every saddle brand under the sun was represented somewhere in that tack room.

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I have had two Voltaires. A used one and then a new one.

I did two trials. The first trial did not go very well, I just did not fall in love with it and it actually left a bruise on the inside of my thigh. I did not buy a saddle that day. Although this may have not been favorable for the rep and I do feel slightly bad about that, I think it’s fair. You cannot purchase a $5k saddle that is going to bruise you. Long run, it was not a waste of her time because I did end up buying a saddle from her a year later.

Side note, I think the bruise was from how that particular saddle fit my high withered horse.

I ended up buying a used Voltaire. It was 2013, besides being faded, it held up very nicely and I enjoyed riding in it. I ordered the same exact one, but new from the Voltaire rep. I have had no bruising in either Voltaires.

The only saddles I would ever ride in are Devoucoux & Voltaire. Nothing else works for me.

As far as the rep, she was super friendly in my second trial and didn’t seem bothered that I postponed my first purchase.

In the waiting period I would have liked more of an update, but an office representative in Florida was always available to talk.

Why resurrect a thread that is almost a year old?? :confused: Not really the best thread to bring back if you like Voltaire LOL.
(I like my Voltaire, too)

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I’m glad it was resurrected if only to recall how I initially thought the thread would be about the stallion and I remember thinking really?!

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DUDE, THROW HIM ON THE PILE WITH ALL YOUR OTHER WORN OUT STALLIONS

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:lol::lol:

that’s exactly what I thought it was going to be!

Oh, shoot, and there I was thinking we were going to have a nice quiet peaceful philosophical discussion.

And then I remembered, no, this is COTH …

Oh, well, on saddle threads COTH people don’t usually rip apart anything but trees and flocking.

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LOL I thought the same thing! I was ready to come in guns blazing to defend my quirky Voltaire gelding :lol:

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No kidding. I adore mine. But this reminder does make me want to hunt down my hat and wear it! I so love, love, LOVE the French!!!