voltaire saddles?

[QUOTE=Elkie;7181020]
Voltaire and CWD are made in the same factory in Morocco, in AFRICA. L’Apogée, Antares, Butet, etc. are truly Made in France - legally to enter through US Customs, the country of manufacture/origin must be stamped on the saddles. Try and find a “Made in France” on a Voltaire.[/QUOTE]

The Voltaires are not made in Africa. They have a factory near Biarritz. Not everything made in France has to have a stamp on it that says that!

I have 3 Voltaires. I’ve had Devoucoux and CWDs before. The Voltaires definately fit my horses the best. And they are sooo comfy!

I’d like to try riding in several Voltaires some day, esp since they seem to fit the bigger-shouldered horses. I just had to buy a different saddle to fit my TB (who is channeling her inner stock horse) and I think when/if Rory ever stops growing, my medium tree Dev won’t fit him either. I love everything about my Dev excluding the color, and I believe Voltaire is made by someone who left Dev?

Of course, I kinda want a Tad Coffin more than anything else, or at least try them and decide I don’t want one, but Voltaire is next on my list :yes:.

[QUOTE=Horseymama;7183229]
The Voltaires are not made in Africa. They have a factory near Biarritz. Not everything made in France has to have a stamp on it that says that!

I’d advise you have a word with US Customs before you decide to start importing products from France - And absolutely unequivocally Voltaires are made in Morocco.

[QUOTE=Elkie;7185926]

[QUOTE=Horseymama;7183229]The Voltaires are not made in Africa. They have a factory near Biarritz. Not everything made in France has to have a stamp on it that says that!

I’d advise you have a word with US Customs before you decide to start importing products from France - And absolutely unequivocally Voltaires are made in Morocco.[/QUOTE]
Given that the company imports them not the buyer- why does it matter?!

[QUOTE=Elkie;7185926]

I’d advise you have a word with US Customs before you decide to start importing products from France - And absolutely unequivocally Voltaires are made in Morocco.[/QUOTE]

What is your deal? Would you like to contribute something about the actual saddles? Because based on what others have said, I don’t think anybody cares about that…

Look, for the record… I don’t even LIKE foam French style saddles. But if I did-- the country of origin would be the last thing I’d care about if I otherwise liked the saddle. I’m not marrying it and trying to get it a visa… I’m freakin’ putting my @ss in it.

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Your Rolex is made in China. The deal is you are paying $4K+ for a $2K saddle.

[QUOTE=Steif;7186035]
Your Rolex is made in China. The deal is you are paying $4K+ for a $2K saddle.[/QUOTE]

Your English made saddles are marked up 50% too. And your German saddles. And your French. Most everything retail is. That’s how it works.

[QUOTE=vxf111;7186039]
Your English made saddles are marked up 50% too. And your German saddles. And your French. Most everything retail is. That’s how it works.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. I had my gorgeous CWD for 7 years and I never even noticed if it was marked made in France or Africa or Mars.

[QUOTE=vxf111;7186039]
Your English made saddles are marked up 50% too. And your German saddles. And your French. Most everything retail is. That’s how it works.[/QUOTE]

^this

LOL. Love it :smiley:

The leather on the voltaire felt thing and flimsy even compared to my Antares Calf Skin Saddle.

I felt like I wouldn’t get more than a year out of it. I guess it depends on how much you ride.

I prefer my Antares any day over a Voltaire but I recognize it is a decent brand.

Not liking the leather seems like a legitimate reason not to buy a saddle. Not liking it’s nationality doesn’t :wink:

[QUOTE=hudsonhunter;7186456]
The leather on the voltaire felt thing and flimsy even compared to my Antares Calf Skin Saddle.

I felt like I wouldn’t get more than a year out of it. I guess it depends on how much you ride.

I prefer my Antares any day over a Voltaire but I recognize it is a decent brand.[/QUOTE]

I ride multiple horses everyday. Leather is holding up great on the Voltaire–several months old now, and there are several over a year old in my barn used as much and not showing any wear and tear. Yes…it feels different Antares. But for me…the balance and fit of the Voltaire was far far superior to my Antares…which is why I kept the Voltaire and sold the Antares.

vfx111, so funny… or elect it as President. Saddle birthers.

My hard to fit horse liked it

The Voltaire Palm Beach was one of my top two choices when I purchased a new saddle for my hard-to-fit (narrow-backed) thoroughbred cross this summer. I ended up purchasing my other top choice, a used narrow County Stabilizer. It was much less expensive than the Voltaire and it worked better for me over fences while working about as well as the Voltaire for the horse’s back (per my master saddle fitter).

Horse loved the panels on the Voltaire. He moved super well in it, noticeably more forward and happy than many of the other saddles I tried. It gave him a ton of clearance around his withers and spine, very good panel design. I thought the quality was great and it was beautiful. I really liked the balance and comfort of the saddle on the flat, however, it didn’t offer enough security for me over fences. That’s a personal preference though.

[QUOTE=Elkie;7185926]
I’d advise you have a word with US Customs before you decide to start importing products from France - And absolutely unequivocally Voltaires are made in Morocco.[/QUOTE]

I just spoke with one of the owners of Voltaire, who is a friend of mine. He said their workshop is located between Biarritz and Bayonne near the Anglet airport in a little town called “Baussussary.” He said the factory you are referring to in Morocco is called “Saddle Choice” and is where 90% of all CWD’s are made.

He said anyone is welcome at any time to tour the Voltaire workshop in Bausssussary! All they have to do is call him and he will set it up. Then you can see for yourself. PM me if you want his number.

Aaaahhh - so Brice admits that there actually is a saddle factory that Morocco, and most of the CWD’s are made there. But not the Voltaires - right.

I have no idea where these saddles are made. But, what are the working standards and compensation for workers in a saddle factory in Africa?

When a saddle is made in Walsall, England, I can be pretty sure that the workers have a living wage, decent working conditions, health care, etc. And, that saddle runs $2000-5500 depending on name, options, marketing. I accept that there is a 100% (not 50%) markup on most tack, but if they are making saddles in Africa, for $500, yet selling them as if they are in a $1500 production area, they could be exploiting the workers, but they are definitely profiting a lot more if they don’t pass on the savings to the consumer.

As for the brand, I have not had an opportunity to try one.

On the economic side of things, I kinda like that my custom Stackhouse saddle, went right back into the American economy. Yeah, the trees are made in England, and the leather likely tanned elsewhere and imported, but David Stackhouse lives in NC. If I’m paying that much for a saddle (and aren’t these in the $5000 range?), I’d like to think that it is more than marketing and an extensive sales commission scheme that goes into the higher price.

One of the things I like about horses and riding is that it is supporting my local economy through various services. My vets, trainers, and shows are all local, and all supporting locals (mostly).

I’m just going to piggyback in this thread instead of starting a new one…

I am trying out a friend’s Palm Beach this weekend to possibly buy. It does have the short flap. How short is short? I know in the end, I just need to get in it and see if it works for me, but the “short” makes me leery. I’m “short” myself…lol…5’4" on a good day, but I do have long legs.

Yall think I’ll be ok? I’m hoping it’ll work out for me! I’ll have to sell my old Crosby and Pessoa and western saddle…and my first born…but after all the good things I’ve heard, I must try it!

King Creole, I am 5’4" with average legs and have never been able to comfortably ride in a short flap, so I wouldn’t count on that Palm Beach working for you, unless their flaps are sized differently. But as you said, you just have to try it yourself. And don’t forget, no matter how good the price is, if it doesn’t fit you its not a good deal.