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In my area, the TSC clinics are being frequented by people who have a normal vet, and who do take their animals for regular vet care. The main reason they started going to TSC is because our vet clinics are only open Mon-Fri 8-5. Most people work those hours (at minimum), and it’s not like you are going to make an emergency call for vaccinations or microchipping.

I had to take off during work just to get flea preventative since the vet office is also closed on my lunch hour. I think it’s pretty fair to say that the vet’s main customer base is going to be people who work regularly, and not being open when the majority of those clients can use your services might not be the best business practice.

Our one clinic used to be closed on Tuesdays and open on Saturdays. That worked out great, but the older veterinarians who did that were bought out by younger ones and they changed the days/hours.

It may be regional. I don’t see people using the clinic at TS for anything other than stray/barn cats.

I am agreeing with you that these options are great. Yes, for the most part they are being used exactly what they are used for. Nowhere have I said otherwise. I’m saying that let’s look at it from another point of view, from an economics point of view, as I am also a CPA and do the books for my practice which includes 5 offices. You are going to pay for cheap exams/vaccines being done elsewhere somewhere down the line. That’s all I’m saying. I’m not saying that a person who found a kitten in a ditch shouldn’t take it to your local humane society, who will btw, say we don’t do sick animals, and promptly euthanize (at least around here they do) unless you take it to a vet who does care for sick animals. I’m saying that when that cat get a foreign body, which I KNOW the human society does not do, you will pay for those vaccines and exams when you pay for the exploratory. It’s plain and simple economics.

Not every vet office has crappy 8-5 hours and closed at lunch. We are open until evening for people who work, we are open on Saturdays, we don’t close for lunch, sometimes we don’t get lunch. We have a doctor who takes on-call every single night to earn extra money to pay off her loans.

You don’t have to convince me, I drive an HOUR to get to my vet for even the simplist things. He’s the best, I happily pay his prices, and he has great hours. But not everyone acts the way I do for their pets.

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Please explain the concept of good client discount to me. It doesn’t make sense. I shop at Food Lion every Saturday. I get my gas at the same gas station every other week. And yet, I do not get a good client discount. I don’t get one at my orthopod (where I am a very good client), or my regular GP, or my dentist. If we gave everyone who were good clients a discount we may as well just charge $10 less for every exam.[/QUOTE]

I am not sure if your examples are good ones.

If you have insurance and your orthopod, GP or dentist are network providers then your insurance company is getting a good client discount aka PPO discount. If you are self pay many doctors/hospitals will give a discount if you pay at time of service or for the hospital within 30 days.

I do my food shopping at Giant. I get points for how much I spend that I can then use for a discount off Giant gas. So some supermarkets offer good client discounts. (Acme in our area does something similar). Both of them also do the get points for shopping there and earn a free turkey at Thanksgiving.

I go to TGIF I get stripes points and earn free food. If I complete the survey that is on the bottom of the receipt then I get a free appetizer up to $8. That is a form of good client discount.

My vet does not give me a good client discount because he is already cheap for the area. But he has been known to euthanize a degloved bunny baby for me for free. He also euth’d a stray cat that was really really sick for me for free. He could have had me take them to a wildlife place or the SPCA but didn’t. I guess that is a form of good client discount. The supplies to euthanize them aren’t free and I doubt he threw the bodies in the dumpster so disposal wasn’t free. But he ate those costs for me.

sockmonkey, I didn’t mean I should literally get a good client discount – I was being tongue in cheek and meant to illustrate that even though I was paying into the “cash cow” appointment pot with my cat’s regular vaccinations, fecals, spay, etc. my bill for her illness was still extraordinarily high.

I think low cost vet services are the symptom, not the disease.

Whether veterinary costs are up solely because a certain percentage of clients are taking advantage of low cost vaccination clinics (which I don’t fully believe), simply passing on the cost to the consumer results in more pets being put down for treatable conditions (you’re REALLY losing money putting down a 3 year old dog that could have lived another 10 years with routine physicals and minor illnesses), more people skipping routine physical exams/vaccinations, and more people who decide owning a pet at all isn’t financially feasible. I would argue that those things are making much more of an impact than someone getting Fluffy’s rabies booster at a low cost clinic.

Is it possible that veterinary practices are laying the blame on the most convenient party rather than looking at the systemic issue?

I’m not convinced that people who go to vaccine clinics are really poaching your business. Aside from the previously demographic of people who wouldn’t have vaccinated at all if not for a low cost or free option, for some anecdata, most of the people in line with me at the “Vetco” clinic were people with adult pets that were overdue for their non-critical vaccinations that decided to take advantage of a cheap and easy way to make sure they were fully up to date on everything. They would NOT have been making this appointment with their vet either way. For some more anecdata, probably about 80% of individuals who already have a pet and want to adopt another from our organization have an adult pet that is behind on its vaccinations. Particularly cats. NO ONE keeps up to date with their indoor cats’ vaccs. (We actually refer these people to your practices for a physical exam and vaccinations before they’re allowed to adopt from us, you’re welcome for the business.)

I have many friends who work in your field and I understand the chip on your shoulder. Watching someone bring in a pet that is suffering (often from a preventable condition) and listening to them complain about the cost of care or wanting to cut corners really wears a person down. But I’m telling you, as someone who has a good job, is financially comfortable, and didn’t get in over her head with 12 cats or a Great Dane or something – the cost of care is too high to be feasible. I’m not saying that vets are going home and rolling around in their piles of money at night and I know for a fact that techs are underpaid, but I fervently believe that just passing on those costs directly to the consumer is leading to less people bringing their pets in for care at all.

I’m really curious about the poster who mentioned her practice does “wellness hours.” This seems like a win-win to me – the client doesn’t’ feel that they’re getting ripped off on multiple visit fees for a three-part vaccination that takes about 2 minutes tops each time, the practice benefits by ensuring that the clients are getting routine physical exams done, and they are to fit in more clients in those couple of hours.

I’d love to know if they find this worthwhile from a business perspective – although I’d assume if they didn’t they’d discontinue the wellness hours.

On one hand, if consumers don’t use their veterinary practice for basic preventive care, they will raise overall operating costs. On the other, if basic care was more financially feasible more people would do it.

[QUOTE=SonnysMom;8318320]
My vet does not give me a good client discount because he is already cheap for the area. But he has been known to euthanize a degloved bunny baby for me for free. He also euth’d a stray cat that was really really sick for me for free. He could have had me take them to a wildlife place or the SPCA but didn’t. I guess that is a form of good client discount. The supplies to euthanize them aren’t free and I doubt he threw the bodies in the dumpster so disposal wasn’t free. But he ate those costs for me.[/QUOTE]

sockmonkey has called me out for my audacity in asking a veterinary practice if they could waive a visit fee or otherwise discount the appointment for a rescued animal. The first practice (maybe hers!) said no, but another one said yes. Guess what practice we now use regularly and refer our adopters to? :smiley:

They love us and we LOVE them.

First, if you brought in an injured bunny that couldn’t be saved, we obviously would euthanize for free. We do this, unfortunately, far too often. I say unfortunately not for the “free” part but for the having to euthanize part.

Second, yes these clinics and the Fix-A-Friend down the street are without a doubt poaching our clients. We are doing considerably fewer spays and neuters every year. It is a demonstrable issue.

Third, you say I am laying blame where it doesn’t belong, but should look at the systemic issue. What is the systemic issue? Because if I know what that is maybe I can fix it.

Fourth, a little tongue-in-cheek, I can’t tell you the number of people who come in with their “rescued” pet, or their “he’s not mine, I just feed him.”
me: when did you rescue the 8-year-old dog?
client: when he was 8 wks old.
that’s not a rescue, that’s adopting.

client: he’s not mine, I just feed him
me: does he have a name?
client: Max (they’re all named Max)
me: congratulations, you own him.

variations on a theme. but they all want discounts.

I work in marketing so I’m simply never going to understand “business is down so we’re going to raise prices and make our policies more inflexible,” sorry.

As I said before, I love the idea of wellness hours - two birds with one stone by actually ensuring the annual exam happens and making customers happy with low(er) cost vaccs.

Surely there are other possible solutions than “let’s scare more clients off!”

What I see happening with small animal vets is the movement toward only doing wellness care and scheduled surgery. God forbid you have an emergency even during reg office hours, and even though you’ve been a client for 20yrs.
Some of these vet offices don’t want to deal with those situations because it puts them behind schedule. Sounds like human med. and we know how crappy that can be.
So the client takes the pet to an ER for care. And many of those ERs offer reg vet care too. If I’m going to be sent there, I might as well give my money to them for reg vet care in the first place. Heck with the reg vet I’ve known for 20yrs.

For what it’s worth, I never said that the vet is money grubbing. It’s just simply that I can get the exact same service for $300 less. That is not an insignificant amount. I’m sorry, but that’s life.

Although, if you want to get personal, the vet I have a relationship for the dog now IS what I’d consider a “money grubbing vet” and I’m about to shop for a new one. I caught him in more than one lie that was told simply to increase profit from my dog, and I dislike that attitude greatly.

You will find that if your vet is moving toward only wellness care and scheduled surgery, they will find themselves behind the eight ball before they know it. We do not make the bulk of our income from that anymore. We just can’t. We have to compete with local cheap spay/neuter clinics, PetSmart and now Walgreen a tenth of a mile down the street. So for those who work in marketing, we do what only WE can do. Only WE can do the sick animal care. You won’t see spay/neuter clinics do as little as a mass removal; can’t get FatCat unblocked at Walgreens; and you won’t get a torn cruciate repaired at PetSmart. They don’t do these things. We do. We do emergencies. We do walk-ins. We don’t turn anyone away. Anyone who does is an idiot.

I understand it is expensive. That is my point completely. If it weren’t for PetSmart, cheap spay/neuter clinics, Walgreens and the like, we could. keep. our. prices. down. I don’t know how else to explain it. I truly, bloody well give up.

I would love to know some of the things your practice has done to retain business in light of the uptick of these low cost clinics, sockmonkey.

You do realize that if your prices climb to rival emergency hospitals people will just go to the emergency hospitals, right?

I don’t understand how raising prices in the face of decreased business is viable as your sole business strategy. There must be something more to it?

I appreciate your position sockmonkey, but I rather doubt most vets WERE keeping their prices down ‘way back when’ we didn’t have these clinics, or they wouldn’t be popping up everywhere. If it’s just as affordable to go to the ‘real vet’ people wouldn’t have started going elsewhere.

[QUOTE=french fry;8318813]
I would love to know some of the things your practice has done to retain business in light of the uptick of these low cost clinics, sockmonkey.

You do realize that if your prices climb to rival emergency hospitals people will just go to the emergency hospitals, right?

I don’t understand how raising prices in the face of decreased business is viable as your sole business strategy. There must be something more to it?[/QUOTE]

I think the point is that by lowering prices to compete, a vet clinic loses money. Because they have costs that far exceed those of the Walgreens, TSC, etc. So they really, fundamentally can’t compete. And if they lose that business, then they need to make up those profits elsewhere - which means raising the prices of everything else.

We see these circular arguments again and again. Vets are trained to provide the best possible care. That care costs money. Those costs are often far greater than a person is willing/able to pay. And around and around you go.

A good vet clinic is, in my opinion worth every penny. I just went through a very trying year that ended in my dog being euthanized last week. Numerous times over the last year they took my calls, squeezed us in same-day for exams and IV meds, contacted drug companies, phoned for updates, sent referrals, and in the final hour dropped everything to give my sweet girl a peaceful and comfortable end. I have paid this clinic thousands of dollars (although to their credit there were several times that they comped an injection or follow-up exam fee) and I don’t begrudge them a single penny. If I felt like I was getting scammed I would most definitely take my business elsewhere.