Washing Machine that WASHES?

Here ya go…I got a Speed Queen in 2017 and am very happy with it. All mechanical controls. But the dealer said that was the last year because of govt rules.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704662604576202212717670514

I hope you don’t go shopping for toilets any time soon…

How Washington Ruined Your Washing Machine
March 17, 2011 12:01 a.m. ET

It might not have been the most stylish, but for decades the top-loading laundry machine was the most affordable and dependable. Now it’s ruined—and Americans have politics to thank.

In 1996, top-loaders were pretty much the only type of washer around, and they were uniformly high quality. When Consumer Reports tested 18 models, 13 were “excellent” and five were “very good.” By 2007, though, not one was excellent and seven out of 21 were “fair” or “poor.” This month came the death knell: Consumer Reports simply dismissed all conventional top-loaders as “often mediocre or worse.”

How’s that for progress?

The culprit is the federal government’s obsession with energy efficiency. Efficiency standards for washing machines aren’t as well-known as those for light bulbs, which will effectively prohibit 100-watt incandescent bulbs next year. Nor are they the butt of jokes as low-flow toilets are.

But in their quiet destruction of a highly affordable, perfectly satisfactory appliance, washer standards demonstrate the harmfulness of the ever-growing body of efficiency mandates.

The federal government first issued energy standards for washers in the early 1990s. When the Department of Energy ratcheted them up a decade later, it was the beginning of the end for top-loaders. Their costlier and harder-to-use rivals—front-loading washing machines—were poised to dominate.

Front-loaders meet federal standards more easily than top-loaders. Because they don’t fully immerse their laundry loads, they use less hot water and therefore less energy. But, as Americans are increasingly learning, front-loaders are expensive, often have mold problems, and don’t let you toss in a wayward sock after they’ve started.

When the Department of Energy began raising the standard, it promised that “consumers will have the same range of clothes washers as they have today,” and cleaning ability wouldn’t be changed. That’s not how it turned out.

In 2007, after the more stringent rules had kicked in, Consumer Reports noted that some top-loaders were leaving its test swatches “nearly as dirty as they were before washing.” “For the first time in years,” CR said, “we can’t call any washer a Best Buy.” Contrast that with the magazine’s 1996 report that, “given warm enough water and a good detergent, any washing machine will get clothes clean.” Those were the good old days.

In 2007, only one conventional top-loader was rated “very good.” Front-loaders did better, as did a new type of high-efficiency top-loader that lacks a central agitator. But even though these newer types of washers cost about twice as much as conventional top-loaders, overall they didn’t clean as well as the 1996 models.

The situation got so bad that the Competitive Enterprise Institute started a YouTube protest campaign, “Send Your Underwear to the Undersecretary.” With the click of a mouse, you could email your choice of virtual bloomers, boxers or Underoos to the Department of Energy. Several hundred Americans did so, but it wasn’t enough to stop Congress from mandating even stronger standards a few months later.

Now Congress is at it once again. On March 10, the Senate Energy Committee held hearings on a bill to make efficiency standards even more stringent. The bill claims to implement “national consensus appliance agreements,” but those in this consensus are the usual suspects: politicians pushing feel-good generalities, bureaucrats seeking expanded powers, environmentalists with little regard for American pocketbooks, and industries that stand to profit from a de facto ban on low-priced appliances. And there are green tax goodies for manufacturing high-efficiency models—the kind that already give so many tax credits to Whirlpool, for example, that the company will avoid paying taxes on its $619 million profit in 2010.

Amazingly, the consensus also includes so-called consumer groups such as the Consumer Federation of America and Consumers Union. At last week’s hearing, the federation touted a survey supposedly showing overwhelming public support for higher efficiency standards. But not a single question in that survey suggested that these standards might compromise performance. Consumers Union, meanwhile, which publishes Consumer Reports, claims that new washers can’t be compared to old ones—but that’s belied by the very language in its articles.

We know that politics can be dirty. Who’d have guessed how literal a truth this is?

Mr. Kazman is general counsel of the Competitive Enterprise Institute.

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not from the linked article but here is what is should have said

Residential clothes washers

The 2018 standards for residential clothes washers are the second tier of standards that were negotiated back in 2010 by manufacturers, efficiency and environmental organizations, and consumer groups. The first tier of standards took effect in 2015.

For top-loading washers, the 2015 standards represented energy savings of 26% and water savings of 16% relative to the previous standards. For front-loading washers, the savings were 43% and 52% for energy and water use, respectively.

Top-loaders will see a significant additional efficiency boost with the 2018 standards. Compared to the 2015 standards, the 2018 standards will reduce energy use by 18% and water use by 23%. The standards for front-loading washers, which are generally more efficient than top-loading models, remain unchanged in 2018.

https://appliance-standards.org/blog…g-january-2018

which goes on to say what they want you to believe

Clothes washers meeting the new standards provide not only significant energy and water bill savings, but also better cleaning performance and more features than older washers. Unlike traditional top-loading washers, high-efficiency (or “HE”) top-loaders don’t have a center agitator. According to Consumer Reports, most high-efficiency top-loaders “are better at cleaning, gentler on fabrics, quieter, and use less water” than older washers. And front-loaders provide even better performance than high-efficiency top-loaders.

I have this one i live it. I have put heavy winter blankets in it MANY TIMES and they come out spanking clean, even with an entire winters filth on them

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Maytag-4-2-cu-ft-High-Efficiency-White-Top-Load-Washing-Machine-with-Deep-Water-Wash-and-POWERWASH-Cycle-MVWC565FW/207084708

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I have a Maytag. I’m not sure of the model but it is terrible. I often wash my clothes twice. It doesn’t come clean. It doesn’t fill with enough water. Sometimes my laundry has dry spots which only disappear after it rinses. Terrible, terrible, terrible. After this summer i plan to throw my clothes out and buy all new shirts. Anything that doesn’t smell too badly i might keep for next summer. The sweat smell just doesn’t come out. Vinegar helps but isn’t enough. I would try borax but i think i might plug the machine. If i put a “clean” shirt on and get sprinkled on with rain, it reeks.

My cotton shirts bleach badly as well. I’m thinking of switching to all polyester t shirts, as they don’t lose color right after purchase. Maybe polyester won’t hold the smell as badly?

Or maybe I should look for a better machine but the one i have is practically new.

i have a Maytag front loader which replaced the Maytag Neptune front load I had had for 18 years. Dirt stains, mud when using the old one, were sent through on a rinse cycle first and left to sit for an hour or two, then washed. I was on septic during part of its lifecycle and clothes came out clean. Horse blankets might have ground in dirt but did not smell with this routine. My new Maytag has a cold water cycle that essentially does the same routine - hit the clothes with water, wait and then process. Clothes come out clean. Yes, I have to clean the gasket of hair and, occasionally I wipe HE soap inside the lower gasket before a wash to keep the occasional, minor smell under control. Service man told me that new machines require a lot less soap than listed on their labels, so I experimented with that. I can’t remember my model.

People suing Maytag for washer gasket issues put them out of business, I think, and would have to research that as memory is not always reliable.

The culprit in cleanliness is not the government being arbitrary. I don’t want phosphates in rivers, streams, and water from earth’s growing population killing every species. So there has been a lot of experimentation with alternatives, along with changes in fabrics, too. It’s just called change.

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We ditched our front load for a top load, couldn’t be happier. We bought an LG top load without an agitator, while it is He, it does fill with water and does a better job of cleaning then our front load.

Instead of throwing your shirts away why not go to the local laundramat and use one of their big commercial ones? My local laundramat has a few really big ones that with fit my really fluffy King sized comforters. I think it is $6 for the load with hot water, $5.50 for warm water. It would fit a lot of shirts and breeches. It seems cheaper to go spend an hour at the laundramat than replace all of your shirts.

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if the shirts in question are made out of the wicking performance material, they are kind of famous for holding the stink in. I’ll have regular t-shirts in the same load (and considerably older) be just fine and the moisture wicking ones are entirely different.

What has helped is adding something like unstoppables (with febreze). And I could try and blame it on the machine but since other clothes in the same load (that have been sweated in far more times than these) come out fine. It’s the material

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Well, all I can say is my gigantic Samsung top-loader is only 6 years old but is rusted around the detergent dispenser and the bleach dispenser. This is in addition to the problem of not cleaning worth a damn. It stinks all the time - far worse than my Kenmore front-loader did. I always leave the washer open - grew up with a front-loader, so it’s a firm habit.

I’m growing fonder of my Kenmore top loader… I put the white show pads through again for a second pass and they came out spotless. And I’ve now washed 7 horse blankets in it in the past 24 hours. Oh! And it has a cleaning mode to run when I’m done with horsey stuff (and before DH gets home) to destroy all the evidence!

It does ok with human clothes, too. But where’s the fun in that? :lol:

I only wish it did the trick. Normal human clothes which aren’t really dirty in the first place just stinky come out the fine. However forget ever getting the saddle pads clean. I have a top load Whirlpool that I hate with a vengeance. I only use the deep fill option. I’ve mentioned this before that the company told me to quit calling them out because it won’t clean the pads. They say it is working to spec.

The difference between the top loader and the front loader is that at least with a front loader there is some agitating going on. The clothes fall and swish. None of that happens with the hi-capacity top loaders.

We had a Maytag top load that was a piece of crap. It died about a month after the warranty expired. Ironically, we had a Frigidaire front loader that my daughter had killed the pump on because she washed a horse blanket without hosing it off first. It was sitting next to the new Maytag. The repair guy said that the Maytag was garbage, but it was worth fixing the Frigidaire. New pump, and it started working after 3 years down. We did need to replace the motherboard a few months later, but, knock wood, it is still going now.

I have a 2013 HE Samsung top load (no agitator). I loathe it. It’s ok with regular, light weight loads, but can’t clean a blanket or anything horse related or really dirty. I’m sure it doesn’t use enough water and can’t agitate enough. Bleh.

I’m renting. I have a Maytag Centennial Commercial Technology of unknown vintage, probably about ten years old. Top load with agitator, many functions but no electronics. It isn’t that big though.

It works fine if you don’t over load. It can take a rain sheet but not a turnout blanket. Well you can shove the turnout blanket in but there isn’t enough room to wash properly.

Last month I washed about ten very nasty saddle pads for a friend. She can’t put them in her front load because they unbalance it.

After a bit of experimenting :slight_smile: I settled on: vacuum off all the hair, soak in hot water (easy, just leave lid open while filling) and only do a couple at a time.

The fact that you can’t open the lid of a front loader to sort out imbalance put me off the idea.

Sometimes my top loader piaffes around the laundry room but it is easy to fix

I would add to your requirements - the ability to just spin without having to rinse is one thing my washer lacks, that I really miss.

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Yes, I can do this! I can hand wash a fleece pad and then spin to extract water! Very useful

I’d look at an estate sale/craigslist or a used furniture store and by an older washer that you can actually fill up with water. Then you will once again have clean clothes. We have an ancient Maytag we inherited with out current house and I LOVE it, that sucker fills to the top and clothes are always clean. I can throw dog beds, heavy rugs, comforters etc. and not only does the machine run great, they come clean.

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