We are overrun with pitbulls and pitbull crosses

[chancellor2]

[QUOTE=Pa![](ntedHunter;7389849]
I mean- just look at him! he’s a clown.

Sitting on one of our other dogs:

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h133/wangel43/Reno2_zps160577eb.jpg

Being handsome:
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h133/wangel43/Reno_zpsab9e18e7.jpg

I could gush all day.[/QUOTE]

I’ll go you one better…I have several pictures of Lexicon my Siamese and Scarlett the pibble together like this. This picture was TOTALLY not posed.

[IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/chancellor2/scarlett_zps5928492c.jpg)

[Coyoteco]

[QUOTE=chancellor2;7392919]
![]('ll go you one better…I have several pictures of Lexicon my Siamese and Scarlett the pibble together like this. This picture was TOTALLY not posed.

[IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/chancellor2/scarlett_zps5928492c.jpg)[/QUOTE]

very cute!

[RubyTuesday]

[QUOTE=WinsomeTK;7365952]
To think that dog almost got spayed before getting pimped on CL for the joy of feeling like a beached whale and birthing unwanted puppies that will end up in a shelter or worse…

And a pit bull male and a chihuahua? I don’t see that going well. Or giving good results…

Oh, I need to stay off the menagerie forum too, even a repost of the initial CL post puts me in a bad mood… :no:[/QUOTE]

No kidding!

[PaintedHunter]

[QUOTE=chancellor2;7392919]
![]('ll go you one better…I have several pictures of Lexicon my Siamese and Scarlett the pibble together like this. This picture was TOTALLY not posed.

[IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/chancellor2/scarlett_zps5928492c.jpg)[/QUOTE]

THIS IS THE BEST!

[Sabino]

[QUOTE=GraceLikeRain;7368078]
Huge fees for intact dogs will push the small but responsible breeders out of business. It is hard to find people willing to pay $1k for a well bred puppy and even with that, breeders rarely break even. If a breeder is factoring in the additional annual costs they will either need to charge substantially more or they will elect to leave the market. Without responsible, ethical, and educated breeders, we will no longer have distinct breeds.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. I paid twice that for both of the Chesapeakes I currently have. And will probably pay more than that for my next. My first Chessie was $400 and I spent way more than the difference in vet costs over her life span due to her poor breeding.

[wendy]

Quote Originally Posted by GraceLikeRain View Post

Huge fees for intact dogs will push the small but responsible breeders out of business. It is hard to find people willing to pay $1k for a well bred puppy and even with that, breeders rarely break even. If a breeder is factoring in the additional annual costs they will either need to charge substantially more or they will elect to leave the market. Without responsible, ethical, and educated breeders, we will no longer have distinct breeds. unquote
second quote
I disagree. I paid twice that for both of the Chesapeakes I currently have. And will probably pay more than that for my next. My first Chessie was $400 and I spent way more than the difference in vet costs over her life span due to her poor breeding.

I also disagree. Most responsible breeders charge more than $1k a pup, and most responsible breeders have lengthy waiting lists for their puppies- they have no lack of buyers at those prices- because as mentioned, it’s well worth the cost to get quality.

Most responsible breeders don’t make any money at all on their puppy sales- they don’t breed to make money, they breed to better the breed. Most actually lose a lot of money once they factor in health tests and campaigning (showing) the parents in order to prove they are worthy of being bred. A “stiff licensing fee” for intact pets is a drop in the bucket in comparison to these sort of costs. Training and showing a dog to advanced titles in both conformation and some sort of or multiple performance venues isn’t cheap, nor are the extensive health tests that responsible breeders perform on their potential breeding stock.

that said, I’m opposed to dog licenses in general. The irresponsible people don’t bother to buy them, so they are just a money grab on the responsible people who don’t go around breeding irresponsibly no matter what, whether or not their dogs are neutered.

[RedmondDressage]

[QUOTE=chancellor2;7392919]
![]('ll go you one better…I have several pictures of Lexicon my Siamese and Scarlett the pibble together like this. This picture was TOTALLY not posed.

[IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/chancellor2/scarlett_zps5928492c.jpg)[/QUOTE]

SO CUTE!!!

Here’s our PB/Cattle Dog mix, Bodhi, snuggling our orange cat… I won’t lie though, they’re normally not this mellow. Usually Bodhi is pinning orange cat down trying to lick him to death

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https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1526109_10202803021904961_176725310_n.jpg

[chancellor2]

As ![]( said, probably 100s of these pictures. But of course, people like Vacation1 will never believe that a vicious pit bull can be this nice
[IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/chancellor2/Scarlett6_zpsec328d28.jpg)

[IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/chancellor2/Scarlett2_zpsd878d93c.jpg)

[IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/chancellor2/Scarlett5_zpsd3fedd7f.jpg)

[IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/chancellor2/Scarlett4_zpsd8afc67f.jpg)

[IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/chancellor2/Scarlett3_zps9a25fdde.jpg)

Vicious ain’t she?
Remember, these dogs will turn on you in a second. You never know WHAT they are going to do.

Oh, and before we say this is one dog. I have had three others who ALSO sleep kindly with cats.

[PaintedHunter]

[QUOTE=chancellor2;7399007]
As ![]( said, probably 100s of these pictures. But of course, people like Vacation1 will never believe that a vicious pit bull can be this nice
[IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/chancellor2/Scarlett6_zpsec328d28.jpg)

[IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/chancellor2/Scarlett2_zpsd878d93c.jpg)

[IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/chancellor2/Scarlett5_zpsd3fedd7f.jpg)

[IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/chancellor2/Scarlett4_zpsd8afc67f.jpg)

[IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/chancellor2/Scarlett3_zps9a25fdde.jpg)

Vicious ain’t she?
Remember, these dogs will turn on you in a second. You never know WHAT they are going to do.

Oh, and before we say this is one dog. I have had three others who ALSO sleep kindly with cats.[/QUOTE]

Yeah…I don’t know how you live with yourself keeping this dog. Clearly a danger. Mine is pretty vicious too: http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h133/wangel43/Renosleep_zpse3ac3b77.jpg

[RedmondDressage]

[QUOTE=PaintedHunter;7399234]
Yeah…I don’t know how you live with yourself keeping this dog. Clearly a danger. Mine is pretty vicious too: http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h133/wangel43/Renosleep_zpse3ac3b77.jpg[/QUOTE]

I love it! That is my little dude’s favorite way to sleep too… When he’s not here: https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1385361_10202399041605706_1326848332_n.jpg. Terrible vicious puppers!

[Kadenz]

My pittie is 4 and we’ve had him since he was about 3-4 months old. He has an older “brother” (another shelter mutt) and has lived with cats indoors since we got him.

He has never yet exhibited human aggression or dog aggression. He has a high prey drive (thank you to whoever pointed out earlier that, yes, they are TERRIERS after all!) but he’s never exhibited that in relation to cats. He plays with them but never chases or snaps at them, even outdoors. Mice, rats, gophers, voles, etc. are a different story, and since he’s a farm dog and they’re vermin it doesn’t bother me at all.

But I’m sure one of these days he’ll up and rip my face off. :rolleyes:

The funny thing is that whenever people are unduly frightened of “the pit bull” they’re usually completely ignoring my other mutt, who is of a basically houndish persuasion, and is nervous, unconfident, awkward, and can be fearful. If one of my dogs ever bites a human, I can tell you with 10000% certainty, it’ll be the houndish mutt and not the pittie.

[RaeHughes]

Ok, I get it. You have lovely pit bulls or pit crosses
I am genuinely happy for you and your dogs. HOWEVER, that is your experience and your dogs. You obviously are good owners who have really understood these dogs. Thephotos are of nice seeming dogs.

Please note that there is absolutely no sarcasm here. Please don’t read any into my comments

My experience has been the opposite. I have only met only one that was genuinely nice. And I agree that he was. But the 5 others that I have met have all been at least animal aggressive. No, I didn’t make the judgement that they were pits - their owners did. They also told me of the problem. Sadly these were put to sleep as they could not be trusted by their owners. These were not dead-beats but good owners who had tried to sory the issue out.

So, if we all go to the shelter together and see a pit and a jack Russell (which are way not one of my favorites), I will let you take the pit and I will take the JRT

[chancellor2]

[QUOTE=RaeHughes;7400847]

My experience has been the opposite. I have only met only one that was genuinely nice. And I agree that he was. But the 5 others that I have met have all been at least animal aggressive. No, I didn’t make the judgement that they were pits - their owners did. They also told me of the problem. Sadly these were put to sleep as they could not be trusted by their owners. These were not dead-beats but good owners who had tried to sory the issue out.

So, if we all go to the shelter together and see a pit and a jack Russell (which are way not one of my favorites), I will let you take the pit and I will take the JRT[/QUOTE]

Glad to hear it. I really would prefer that people who don’t like pit bulls not adopt them!

[PaintedHunter]

My lab/border collie mix is the only of my three who has ever shown aggression and bit another dog.

[TheHotSensitiveType]

This is a subject that absolutely makes my blood boil. There are not even remotely enough homse to house the existing one yet let’s breed more!!! Then add in the negative press about pit bulls, it scares away homes that may have been excellent but do not want to ‘risk’ their children or other pets around one.

We have one pitbull mix (free at pound) and one full APBT that I assume someone spent a pretty penny on when he was a puppy (ummm, we got him free). I have been asked twice if I wanted to breed the full APBT to their dog. Welllllll… one, in case you have not noticed he is fixed and two, No. You really are thinking about a breeding plan if you ask some random stranger who is enjoying an outing with their dog to breed! He is neurotic, high energy, stubborn, dominant, and did I mention stubborn? Oh and he hurts himself all the freaking time (everyone at the vet office knows him by name, the humans? not so much). His genes are not going to be passed on.

Pitbulls can be great dogs, but IMO most homes are not good homes for these dogs. Most homes are not equipped to handle large, high energy dogs. People need to stop breeding them.

[chancellor2]

[QUOTE=TheHotSensitiveType;7401286]

Pitbulls can be great dogs, but IMO most homes are not good homes for these dogs. Most homes are not equipped to handle large, high energy dogs. People need to stop breeding them.[/QUOTE]

Stupid people need to stop breeding stupid people. The world would be a hell of a lot safer if we could regulate breeding stupidity in people. The world would be far safer for pit bulls and dogs in general.

[Donella]

[QUOTE=chancellor2;7401318]
Stupid people need to stop breeding stupid people. The world would be a hell of a lot safer if we could regulate breeding stupidity in people. The world would be far safer for pit bulls and dogs in general.[/QUOTE]

OMG, you are awesome! That is the best thing I have read in a long time. Totally agree.

[Beckham03]

Ahh…love the cat pics. My boy loves his cats. They rub on him, he licks them.

I just don’t like to see dogs deemed dangerous or un adoptable solely based on their breed…just saying, hey, it’s a pit bull, it is mean, or won’t make a good pet. As long as this way of thinking continues, many great dogs will be put down. It makes me sick.

[chancellor2]

[QUOTE=Donella;7404480]
OMG, you are awesome! That is the best thing I have read in a long time. Totally agree.[/QUOTE]

BTW, I said that tongue in cheek. I DO think we need to cut down on pit bull breeding because there ARE too many being put to sleep.
Whenever I see an unfixed pit bull, I tend to ask the owner WHY. And when the reply is something about how great a dog s/he is, I will often discuss this very topic…there ARE too many dogs being put to sleep because their mother or father was a “great dog”. Let’s make the ones that are already alive really great dogs.

That said, someday, I WOULD like a purebred AmStaff again but right now, there are too many rescues who need a home.

[fire_911medic]

Ignorance. The humane societies and shows like pit boss and pits and parolees lead to the idea that they are perfect for all people. I don’t say they are bad dogs but they require a certain owner one that is definitely self assured and black and white just like some horses. Great in the right hands horrible in the wrong. They are NOT everybody’s dog. My pet peeve of any dog is being allowed to roam free and the one litter before we spay/neuter it mentality seriously ? The dog don’t care. The best statement I ever heard was “we want our kids to see the miracle of birth” great…watch a video. Why don’t you take them to the pound and let them watch the tragedy of death of those same puppies that nobody wanted ? It is reality and responsibility as owners to give our dogs the best life. Don’t spay your dog and she gets out and knocked up by the neighborhood mutt what are you doing with those dogs ? Do you plan a lifelong commitment to that dog and her puppies ? Are you going to vet out homes or just give to whoever shows up with the cash ? We have one neighbor who breeds pits for fighting and let’s his unneutered male freely roam (caught chasing my horses more than once over which we did not have a pleasant discussion) after that the next time I called animal control. He got furious I told him he was lucky the dog was still alive. It wouldn’t have been if one was injured. Our other neighbors are elderly nice people but have an unspayed female German Shepherd very very sweet dog but routinely jumps out of their yard to tour the town. She has never offered to bother my horses and just comes over and lays on our deck. My dogs love playing with her. Because of that I don’t particularly mind her visits. However I take her back home and the nice old lady just goes, she wouldn’t wander if she had some puppies I just gotta get my hubby To agree. 78 and severe homebound copd uh not happening. Tried explaining spaying would stop that and she says well you wouldn’t spay your child would you ? Some people