WEC Ocala shows to run under NSBA

USEF has spent millions of dollars in legal fees over the last many years protecting and defending their right and responsibility to do not only drug testing but to expel other bad actors from the membership. George Lindemann did not go down without a fight and you’re welcome to do the research to see the other cases they had to defend, and won.

USEF is far from perfect but it’s easy to forget these cases or their importance, and I think even if the NSBA has the best of intentions, the resources and the legal standing to fight let alone win them are probably not available to them. Dismantling USEF certainly does not increase the likelihood that these cases will be fought and won.

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I hope it’s not true, but honestly it wouldn’t surprise me if USEF looked for a scapegoat.

Yes…but why can’t another organization host shows nearby? I sure hope nobody is arguing to dismantle USEF and build another similar monopoly. I think most people want options and to “spread the wealth” so to speak. I don’t think NSBA needs to have the infrastructure USEF does. I think that’s the point.

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Drug rules seem to be very important in this thread. Drug rules! Really!? I can’t believe NSBA has anymore or less cheats than the USEF. The USEF has a responsiblity to make the sport fair and accessible to the greatest extent possible. Drug enforcement should be a second tier concern to good footing, ample warm-up areas and adequate stabling.There may be a need to offer show managers some assurances but as for Florida in the winter I think there are plenty of competitors to go around. It is not a perfect argument but just for kicks here are the numbers from 1/14/20 - 1/19/20 for the 1.30 meter jumpers at HITS and WEF. HITS class #268 -72 entries, #269 - 44, #270 - 36. WEF class #1009 - 117 entries, #1010 - 83, #1011 -36. I understand cross entries at the individual shows and people aren’t going haul to HITS from Ocala. Many indoor venues are not going to be available. I think there will probably be more horses in Florida this year than last. To me its just about options.

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The hotel isn’t ready yet. One of my main problems with all these promises … lots of people were banking on that for 2021.

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Oh crap, I was going to call the hotel tomorrow to try to make a reservation. Is it not going to be available at all for the winter series?

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Was this already posted here? It’s the podcast with the proprietor at WEC talking about the developments with USEF. It’s about 30 minutes or so.

https://www.horseradionetwork.com/2020/11/12/special-episode-roby-roberts-from-wec-responds-to-usef-by-taylor-harris-insurance-services/?fbclid=IwAR36EoIqBY_7E79lMHLwSz-rRS8q4pEyZZZh58ObepFeAQZ7Wxdqli8LUCI

In case anyone else needs this info:

I just called the reservation line and the WEC Ocala hotel will not be open until April 2021.

About the rulebook;
(https://www.nsba.com/nsbarulebook)

Handbook

The official 2021 NSBA Handbook will be available in December and will include the rules that apply specifically to the hunter jumper events of NSBA…

USEF sent out an email today with a link to this on the subject: https://www.usef.org/faqs/20202021-competitions?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Press%20Release%20-%20Live%20Series%20Comps%20Calendar%20-%2011.30.20%20(1)&utm_content=

FAQ: 2020/2021 Competitions

1. Will USEF members be ineligible to compete at USEF shows if they compete at WEC NSBA events? Will Licensed Officials be ineligible to work at USEF shows if they work at WEC NSBA events?

No. USEF members that compete at WEC NSBA shows are eligible to compete at USEF shows unless the FEI imposes a period of ineligibility under the FEI “unsanctioned event” rule. The same holds true for Licensed Officials. This rule does not apply to non-FEI riders, horses, and officials.

2. What is the “unsanctioned event rule”?

The “unsanctioned event rule” (FEI GR Article 113.4-113.9) states that any FEI Official, FEI registered Athlete, or FEI registered Horse that participates in an event declared by the FEI as unsanctioned faces up to six months ineligibility to participate in FEI and national events. Events that are “unsanctioned” will be identified at least 7 days prior to the event.

3. When will the FEI determine if the “unsanctioned rule” will be applied?

The 2021 events schedule for the World Equestrian Centre in Ocala, FL (USA) was discussed by the FEI Board November 25, but as more information on this matter is required, this was tabled for further discussions at the next FEI Board meeting on December, 15, 2020.

4. Why is USEF concerned that horse and human safety could be impacted?

USEF rules and regulations, the Equine Drugs & Medications rules, Equine Prohibited Practices, Concussion and Return to Play protocols, and the Safe Sport Policy and Minor Athlete Abuse Prevention policies, among others important rules, are the result of years of development, investment and expertise from members, the veterinary and medical community, as well as trusted advisors and USEF staff. All of these exist to ensure the safety and welfare of our participants and equine partners, as well as a fair and level playing field in the best interests of our sport and US teams. Additionally, USEF has a robust compliance, regulatory, and dispute resolution process to ensure the fair and equitable resolution of all disputes. USEF stands firmly behind these rules, regulations, and polices.

5. Was there no option for WEC to host USEF licensed events during the 12 weeks of the Winter Spectacular?

Several options exist and were shared with WEC representatives that would allow WEC to operate USEF licensed shows throughout the 12 week series. WEC chose not to take advantage of these options.

6. Where is the best place to send feedback on the World Equestrian Center licensing and competition access feedback?

All feedback should be sent to the USEF as the national governing body of equestrian sport and licensing organization who manages the calendar, mileage rule and mileage exemptions. Please send all WEC feedback to Competitionstaskforce@usef.org.

7. Why does the mileage rule exist? It seems like there is no way for new events to secure a USEF licensed show or series even if they are offering a top facility and prize money?

The USEF competition licensing rules, which include the Mileage Rule and Mileage Exemption process are in place to manage the competition calendar. Factors considered when evaluating mileage exemptions include but are not limited to: competitions standards, competition and calendar factors, sport growth and visibility, competition costs, concentration and migration of competitors, experience and expertise of competition management.

USEF supports and welcomes new competition organizers, facilities and investment in the sport to benefit members; however, major changes to the competition calendar require great care, observation and analysis to avoid unintended consequences that could jeopardize the sport, calendar stability and/or jeopardize horse or human safety and welfare.

In 2019 there were approximately 115 mileage exemption requests received, and approximately 81% of those requests were approved. So far, for the 2020 competition year, there have been approximately 170 mileage exemption requests processed, with approximately 80% of those requests approved. This increase in requests is largely due to the COVID-19 Pandemic, and the vast majority of mileage exemption requests received and granted are for Hunter/Jumper competitions.

8. Who makes the decision on mileage exemptions?

Mileage exemption requests are evaluated and decided by a panel of three neutral members. The Mileage Exemption Panel (MEP) is appointed by the Federation President, and the panel consists of the CEO or designee, a senior active member with competition management experience and a senior active member who participated in the Recognized Affiliate recommendation. Panelists are identified to the applicant competition and affected competitions in advance to provide the parties an opportunity to object to anyone perceived to have a conflict of interest.

The Panel reviews all materials and the Recognized Affiliate’s recommendation, and using the criteria enumerated in the USEF rulebook, determines if it is in the best interest of the sport to approve the request, or if there is an alternative level or rating available that the applicant may offer to better meet the needs of competitors.

9. Are the USEF dressage and eventing licensed events at World Equestrian Center still on the calendar?

Yes.

10. Can USEF National Dressage licensed events take place the same time as NSBA events at WEC?

Yes. At this time, USEF and NSBA events can take place on the same show grounds at the same time provided they are operated completely separate from each other.

11. Could the FEI deem the USEF National Dressage licensed events as ‘unsanctioned’?

No, they are licensed by USEF.

12. Will the two CSI FEI 3 competitions in January 2021 take place at WEC?*

The two CSI FEI 3* events have been removed from the calendar.

13. Is the Ocala CDI3 on April 15-18, 2021 permitted to take place?*

Yes.

So I guess there isn’t any confusion among competitors about what health and welfare rules they must follow if NSBA and USEF licensed dressage shows can happen simultaneously on the property.

Yet, NSBA and USEF h/j shows happening on different weeks apparently was too confusing.

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Pray tell what does the all this talk of calendar stability and what not actually mean in terms I can understand?

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2021 Rulebook;
https://www.nsba.com/component/rsfiles/download?path=NSBA-Rulebook%2F2021-NSBA-Handbook.pdf&Itemid=178

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Just jumping in here. We moved down to Wildwood - 40 minutes away from WEC. We decided to take a drive since i wanted to see the place. There is an AQHA futurity starting tomo and horses were moving in. We got a temp check at the door and the very nice lady at the gate told us to feel free to look around. Wow! hands down, the nicest facility I have ever seen. They were laying the footing in the main arena in front of the hotel (which doesnt look ready for occupancy in the near future)
The indoors i looked into were amazing. The stabling looked top notch. I can personally attest to the cleanliness of the bathrooms lol. A couple of restaurants open, as were tack shops. Masks worm by all except the eaters.

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“ Well what consequences have there been for Kelley Farmer, Larry Glefke and Scott Stewart”… I have just heard that Glefke had a serious stroke this past Summer? How did I miss that? Did a search here and can’t find any reference to it. Is there any truth to this?

I heard that quite a while ago, but don’t remember where. Maybe Horse Show Diva? They are full of gossip but usually right about stuff like that. I’m not wasting any sympathy on LG if its true though.

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I just checked their FB page and on August 16 it said LG was moved to a rehab facility so I guess the rumors are true.

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NSBA seems to be doing a great job at WEC, as everyone seems very happy with their WEC show experience this winter. I saw 2 groups of 3 drug testers at the show yesterday, following horses.
The facility seems safe for both horse & riders.

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We are currently showing at WEC. Have been there a month and it is “all that” and more. Barns are beautiful, drug testers doing their job, footing everywhere is fantastic, including playground rubber and pavers for pedestrians. Stalls are sold out, restaurants are awesome and shopping is great, including Starbucks and a candy/ice cream shop. The hotel won’t be open until mid June, and the rates start at $ 259/night. They announced there will be shows all summer, and major construction is going on that looks like it will double the size of the venue. My daughter showed last week in 5 classes, and with money won and the stall credit, her bill was less than $150. What’s not to love.

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I’m glad to hear they’re doing well, and that the venue is amazing! I’ve got some acquaintances showing there, and I’m living vicariously through them on FB!