I think USEF’s response is strange. Here, we have sometimes had local (unrated) shows going on at the same time at the same facility as A rated national shows (and also sometimes USDF rated shows) just because the A show was too small and didn’t need all the rings. While our local organization says it follows USEF drug rules, I haven’t ever seen any testers. And really, if you are also a USEF member, Safe Sport code applies to you even outside of USEF sponsored events (including things you might do at home). I’m just confused by the welfare argument. Did welfare not matter at the small shows here? Or was it because there’s peanuts for prizes at our local shows?
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USEF does not test at non-USEF shows, even ones that follow their rules.
In California, the state tests both USEF and non-USEF shows. USEF also tests USEF shows. I have no idea what, if anything, other than a fine happens to people whose horse tests positive under the California testing— I’m pretty sure fines are assessed to owners or riders instead of trainers.
This is my first attempt to quote a post in the new forum. I’m trying to refer to @IPEsq‘s post. Lord knows what will happen when hit Reply.
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The easiest way to quote is to hit “reply” in the post you want to quote. At the top of the blank box that appears there is a bubble icon at the top, it’s the first one on the left. Hit that and the quote will come up. Just reply underneath.
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Right, exactly. USEF doesn’t test our local shows either. In theory, the local show could hire testers. Yet, the local can run alongside the rated show at the same venue on the same dates without USEF caring about anyone’s welfare and no one is confused about what rules apply to them. And a schooling show (with no governing organization) might run at another time at the same venue and again no one is upset or confused about that.
It’s not like there are going to be no rules in place for these NSBA sanctioned shows.
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So I am happy to report that a mere $140.40 later both my geldings and myself are now registered members of the National Snaffle Bit Association.
That was SO easy and painless and it brought the biggest smile to my face. Even if I don’t show in Florida.
Em
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Are your horses JC registered?
Since they’re warmbloods, no.
Em
I know quite a few people locally who will be routing to WEC in Florida after very positive experiences in Ohio. They don’t see any reason to believe the shows will run differently.
There’s an opinion piece on FB that is also positive.
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Sorry. No insult intended. I must have confused you with another Eventer who posts here. 
No you have me right. It’s just that in 2018 I imported 2 warmbloods from England after Gin was found to have cervical arthritis and showed a bit of neuro symptoms.
I went looking for an OTTB to show in the higher jumpers but I couldn’t afford any that were here and already showing. So plan B. Bought an amazing Wb from England and he’s taught me a ton. Then bought a greenie from England that fall and he’s pretty awesome too.
Em
Wow. No mincing of words there. I hope that COVID will be under control when the series draws near and that plenty of people will attend. I see many new NSBA memberships in the offing. 
Somehow I doubt it will be the lawless free-for-all that USEF is envisioning. Or is the big gripe that it won’t be USEF’s lawless free-for-all? 
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No, I was definitely thinking of someone else.
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I think Robbie is going to run the exact same type of show he’s been running at WEC Ohio all these years with the divisions his clientele expects at his shows. I think he’ll continue to pull from his usual pool of judges and staff because they probably like to work at his facilities and with his management. I think bringing NSBA in as a governing body is to provide people a new membership opportunity for some year end awards since they likely anticipate some people to show for a majority of the 12 weeks with them. And also to give USEF the middle finger for being complete idiots. NSBA can’t possibly be run by idiots who don’t see this as the opportunity it is, they’re not going to waltz in and demand he change his prize list to fit how they’ve done things. I expect they will evolve.
Which, related, is why USEF can GTFO.
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plus money saved on stabling etc might go to shopping and more / better restaurants so there is a bigger win for local community
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I’m an amateur. I will never have year-end National points. I will probably never place top 8 in my zone. I have no interest in showing that often and I choose to spend my money differently. I do have year end ribbons and trophies from regional association shows held at the same venues as our A rated shows.
If I had the choice to go show somewhere I might find an alligator in my stall, I want it to be a nice stall.
If I had the choice to go pay a lot of money to show, I would want the chance to win some money back. I have no ego. I don’t care that I will never get to say I beat Stephanie Danhakl’s horse. I don’t care that no one will ever see in the association points that I’ve never beaten Stephanie Danhakl’s horse. And Stephanie isn’t looking over her shoulder for me, either.
I want a well-run horse show at a horse-friendly facility with good footing, hospitable housing for my noble steed, and a good photographer and pretty ribbons in case I win something.
WEC sounds like it wants to give me that experience. HITS doesn’t want to give anybody anything. And I’ve never played in the WEF sandbox so I have no idea what they’d do, other than take all my horse show money for the season. 
In conclusion, USEF’s tantrum looks like just that from where I’m sitting, and if I were already headed south for the winter, this wouldn’t change my plans.
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I wish our Kim was still here. She would have loved this.
There is such an apt description in these lyrics, of what may (finally) be happening here. USEF’s comeuppance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQoXbqxdhWM
Lyrics are shown so you don’t have to guess.
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Nope.
The major fines and suspensions for drug penalties go to the TRAINER. Usually the only penalty to the OWNER is returning the ribbons and prizes
@Janet I was referring to the California rules, not the USEF ones. Probably should have been clearer.
FWIW here’s my entire original paragraph. I may go back and edit my original n
In California, the state tests both USEF and non-USEF shows. USEF also tests USEF shows. I have no idea what, if anything, other than a fine happens to people whose horse tests positive. I’m pretty sure fines are assessed to owners or riders instead of trainers.
But it’s guaranteed return on showing even if you don’t place.
They are using USEF R judges. My trainer is judging one week.
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