WEF Eventing & Mark Belissimos end game.

[QUOTE=goodmorning;8519537]
There was no bashing of format or the like. Don’t change the subject or get it confused. If you have nothing to add that’s fine, but this thread is not attacking the format. I think it’s a good pipe opener & everyone appeared to be having a good time. But that’s not Belissimos goal; a good time. His goal is money. This laissez-faire attitude, dismissiveness & defensiveness does absolutely nothing for the sport. People want it to sustain & grow but your ASSumptions are exactly what stall it. Take the glasses off.[/QUOTE]

So you want only opinions that agree with yours in “your” thread. Got it.

:wink:

[QUOTE=Tiger Paws;8519970]
The only way for the sport to get exposure and TV is if it is popular. [/QUOTE]

Also, TV is not exactly what is was in the 20th century. The monoculture is no more. Which should be a good thing for eventing, because there are so many more ways to access a niche sport. Livestreams are inexpensive and ubiquitous, and also a godsend for those who follow odd sports.

Eventing is not and should not be about the non-interested general public. Other people have their own interests; eventing should not be trying to dangle itself in front of them like it’s the new extreme sport or whatever. Over 200,000 people show up for Badminton every year, which are pretty good numbers for a spectator sport. Actually, they’re the best numbers for a spectator sport in Europe. So there.

Eventing should be for and about the participants and not about some flash couple sitting in a VIP tent with candles on the table. That flash couple are more than welcome to enter the larger and more inviting tent that is the world of eventing – heck, I’ve seen the Princess Royal and Princes Harry and William tromping around Badminton and sitting outside the ropes on XC alongside the unwashed masses (including myself) – but I want that couple to have the real experience, not the version that screams ‘Waiter, there’s an eventer in my soup!’.

TV viewership continues to decline at a rate that destroys any argument that TV exposure is necessary to grow a sport. The primary demographic that we would want (T-34 yo) are viewing TV at precipitously declining rates every quarter since 2008.

It is the same weak argument that is used to justify keeping eventing in the Olympics. Those who govern the sport continue to be narrow minded and stagnant (as well as kowtowing to whoever has money) in actually trying to grow this sport. (In the interest of COI, a family member owns a sports marketing and management company).

[QUOTE=JER;8520018]
Also, TV is not exactly what is was in the 20th century. The monoculture is no more. Which should be a good thing for eventing, because there are so many more ways to access a niche sport. Livestreams are inexpensive and ubiquitous, and also a godsend for those who follow odd sports.

Eventing is not and should not be about the non-interested general public. Other people have their own interests; eventing should not be trying to dangle itself in front of them like it’s the new extreme sport or whatever. Over 200,000 people show up for Badminton every year, which are pretty good numbers for a spectator sport. Actually, they’re the best numbers for a spectator sport in Europe. So there.

Eventing should be for and about the participants and not about some flash couple sitting in a VIP tent with candles on the table. That flash couple are more than welcome to enter the larger and more inviting tent that is the world of eventing – heck, I’ve seen the Princess Royal and Princes Harry and William tromping around Badminton and sitting outside the ropes on XC alongside the unwashed masses (including myself) – but I want that couple to have the real experience, not the version that screams ‘Waiter, there’s an eventer in my soup!’.[/QUOTE]

This discussion is about Eventing in Wellington, or in the US. You can not compare popularity of Eventing in the UK or Europe to popularity of Eventing in North America. There are certain sports like soccer or cycling that are hugely popular in Europe, but in NA, not so much.

I still say that the market for equestrian sports in NA is relativly small, and not a huge money maker.

[QUOTE=Tiger Paws;8520066]
This discussion is about Eventing in Wellington, or in the US. You can not compare popularity of Eventing in the UK or Europe to popularity of Eventing in North America. [/QUOTE]

The new media culture and access makes a sport – any sport – worldwide these days.

Soccer is hugely popular in NA. Add the ratings on Univision to those on the white-people networks, and you’ve got some big viewing numbers. Participation, too. If you don’t believe me, go ask hockey.

:slight_smile:

[QUOTE=RAyers;8519864]
Bellissimo IS PURE BUSINESS.

Thise who think he is doing things for the good of the sport are kidding themselves.

In Colorado, once he bought the horse park he tossed every low level show and the dressage out. Permanently, as for as I understand from those who ran those shows. …[/QUOTE]

I’ll suggest some things with hypotheticals, since I’m not privy to the inside story of Belissimo’s finances. From my background as a corporate financial analyst, here is why that it could be a good thing for a large, high-end facility to avoid the smaller shows:

  • Give the smaller shows back to the smaller local barns that are a better fit for that capacity level. Don’t compete with them directly. Don’t take their dates. That may not be the real reason for the decision, but it’s a helpful side effect.

  • Big infrastructure, especially high-end, requires higher-revenue generating productions to sustain itself. There won’t be high-end facilities to enjoy from time to time if they don’t stay in business - and many have not.

  • Capacity - There are so many show days per year. Wasting some on low-level activity that doesn’t generate enough revenue on those days to keep the business healthy, long-term.

Just for starters. :slight_smile:

[QUOTE=RAyers;8519864]… He tossed every trainer and boarder out by jacking the board prices up to the point of insanity (about $1200 a month just for board).

He WANTS money. He intends to fully develop the adjacent 50 acres as high end housing and hotels with a high end equestrian facility as the core. That means only top end completions. Sure the pros and ultra rich amateurs will be accommodated and the bottom end of every discipline will have to recreate what they had somewhere else.

Don’t kid yourself. The eventing showcase was just for the rich and pros.

Reed[/QUOTE]

So what? That’s what COHP was designed and built to do, and there are more moderately-sized and ambition’ed eventing facilities within 20 minute of COHP - even more going further out. Let them benefit from COHP not competing with them head-to-head, but bringing a different market strata into play.

Far from crushing the smaller-budget eventers, it actually benefits the pond they play in by not drawing as much business away from those facilities. Some smaller local barns just got a lot of new boarders and training horses, I would surmise. Perhaps some are even getting the kind of boarder who will help them upgrade, and that’s good for the quality of care for the horses.

Failing to actualize the COHP high-end design may well be what has doomed one operator after another of that facility. Expanding the market and leaving the middle-range to the several other barns in the area will bring opportunity into the local horse community, on several fronts.

Belissimo is looking to integrate horse-keeping and the horse community into the housing development. This is essential for the long-term survival of equestrian sport. The distances from suburbia to the barn are becoming too great for the common lot of lesson students that used to find their way into horses. Sure, MB is going high-end, but that’s not a bad place to start given that horses are expensive.

I don’t know if Mark B. is a good guy or not so much, never met him. But his approach to business makes sense to me. He is integrating equestrian sport, along with - maybe instead of - golf courses. Most developers are not doing anything with horses. It would be far better to make the best of what Mark B has to offer - and there is a lot of good to work with - than fall down crying and screaming because the times they are a’changing.

Time will not be scrolling backwards to the good ole days. Eventing must adapt, or perish. That’s where we are. Eventers in denial are a risk factor for the future of the sport. Far better to work with the adaptation to preserve the values that are most important.

No reason to limit the size of the pond. Variety is very often a good thing. That’s my opinion. :slight_smile:

I wish I could comment on this.:sadsmile:

[QUOTE=GotMyPony;8519609
One of his most important growth strategies, he said, is to attract sponsors as well as spectators, which he says COTH can help with.

When he first produced eventing showcase last year he said he wanted to introduce the sport to spectators and sponsors (in abundance at Wellington), and he made it spectator friendly by being in a more-easily viewed format. From reports back then, spectators liked it and the riders liked it.

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Mr Bellissimo may want more spectators, but his staff have a few things to learn about attracting spectators and retaining the interest so they’ll want to come back the next year. I am referring to Wellington (h/j), Wellington (dressage) and last year’s Eventing Showcase.

It has been my experience for the past few years that the staff at Equestrian Sport Productions have little desire or incentive to provide information regarding the shows to spectators, UNLESS one is inquiring about reserving a table in the VIP area (both h/j and dressage).

Numerous phone calls and emails have been made during the past years to show organizers to get some kind of information about upcoming show schedules, onsite food options, and available seating. One person doesn’t respond, while another will say “so and so handles that, I’ll copy your email to him.” I cannot tell you how many times this has happened, and nothing comes of it. In all fairness, one person did respond last year to my follow up on dressage show seating that had been offered and promised the previous year by the AGDF dressage manager. The response was that yes, I could have a table in the VIP tent for 3 days that would cost thousands of dollars. I thanked her, and gently reminded her that I and my group would only be there for one day. In that case, sorry to say, our promised seating arrangements for the day evaporated and were no longer available.

Last years Eventing Showcase was announced only a few weeks before the event. Spectators gathered on the lawn in front of the VIP tent to watch the xc. Many just stood (no seating) or sat on the ground, or found something to lean on. One woman with a cane near me found a stray folding chair and sat in the shade at the outside corner of the VIP tent. She was asked to move by a staff member, as her position had the potential to block the view of those inside who were operating the video system. Since there was NO ONE inside, she stayed put. Nevertheless, she couldn’t see the xc, because of those standing in front of her. No food/refreshment vendors were close by. I did wander over to the deserted tack vendor area and asked how much business she was getting from the Eventing Showcase. “None” she said. Well she actually said something much more harsh, but the meaning was the same.

My inquiries about this year’s dressage schedule were not answered by show management, with the exception of one very short answer that begged a follow up question (still waiting for a reply to that one). They failed to understand that they have a choice of answers: 'Yes." “No.” or “I don’t know.” I would have been grateful for any one of those answers, simply because that meant I finally had a response and could move on.

There are more stories, but the bottom line is that I’m not going back to Wellington after three years of attending because they don’t care one wit about communicating with general public spectators who will happily spend $$$ at their showgrounds and the surrounding businesses. It’s just not a priority for them.

And the relief I already feel by knowing I don’t have to deal with them again is worth a million. So good luck to Mr. B. …I wish him continued success.

[QUOTE=OverandOnward;8519985]
So you want only opinions that agree with yours in “your” thread. Got it.

;)[/QUOTE]

Get the red herring out, that’s all :wink:

MB as the developer…you invite the developer into your sport that has the vey thing that this man wants; land. ROTFL. Yes, it’s becoming quite clear why he wants to get in on eventing [pun intended]. You take the advice of the developer that yes indeed all open space is going to be developed. Gosh, I mean. It must be the case. Must. Oh wait, he’s going to buy it :lol: He owns enough land in Wellington to string together a real XC course, let’s get real here.

Oh, we need this on our sidelines. Money. Must line pockets. Yes.
http://rbgstock.com/photo/4994/Mark-Bellissimo,-Katherine-Bellissimo,-Donald-Trump-and-Ivanka-Trump.html

[QUOTE=OverandOnward;8520117]
I’ll suggest some things with hypotheticals, since I’m not privy to the inside story of Belissimo’s finances. From my background as a corporate financial analyst, here is why that it could be a good thing for a large, high-end facility to avoid the smaller shows:

  • Give the smaller shows back to the smaller local barns that are a better fit for that capacity level. Don’t compete with them directly. Don’t take their dates. That may not be the real reason for the decision, but it’s a helpful side effect.

  • Big infrastructure, especially high-end, requires higher-revenue generating productions to sustain itself. There won’t be high-end facilities to enjoy from time to time if they don’t stay in business - and many have not.

  • Capacity - There are so many show days per year. Wasting some on low-level activity that doesn’t generate enough revenue on those days to keep the business healthy, long-term.

Just for starters. :slight_smile:

So what? That’s what COHP was designed and built to do, and there are more moderately-sized and ambition’ed eventing facilities within 20 minute of COHP - even more going further out. Let them benefit from COHP not competing with them head-to-head, but bringing a different market strata into play.

Far from crushing the smaller-budget eventers, it actually benefits the pond they play in by not drawing as much business away from those facilities. Some smaller local barns just got a lot of new boarders and training horses, I would surmise. Perhaps some are even getting the kind of boarder who will help them upgrade, and that’s good for the quality of care for the horses.

Failing to actualize the COHP high-end design may well be what has doomed one operator after another of that facility. Expanding the market and leaving the middle-range to the several other barns in the area will bring opportunity into the local horse community, on several fronts.

Belissimo is looking to integrate horse-keeping and the horse community into the housing development. This is essential for the long-term survival of equestrian sport. The distances from suburbia to the barn are becoming too great for the common lot of lesson students that used to find their way into horses. Sure, MB is going high-end, but that’s not a bad place to start given that horses are expensive.

I don’t know if Mark B. is a good guy or not so much, never met him. But his approach to business makes sense to me. He is integrating equestrian sport, along with - maybe instead of - golf courses. Most developers are not doing anything with horses. It would be far better to make the best of what Mark B has to offer - and there is a lot of good to work with - than fall down crying and screaming because the times they are a’changing.

Time will not be scrolling backwards to the good ole days. Eventing must adapt, or perish. That’s where we are. Eventers in denial are a risk factor for the future of the sport. Far better to work with the adaptation to preserve the values that are most important.

No reason to limit the size of the pond. Variety is very often a good thing. That’s my opinion. :)[/QUOTE]

Spoken like someone who has no idea of the eventing market in Colorado. Hell, you sound like you barely know the h/j market. There isn’t enough money or people to support COHP in this base. I was there in the beginning. I even served on the eventing organizing committee for many years.

You blithely dismiss the venues available. As far as I know the are NO EVENTING facilities within 20 minutes of COHP. There are trainers but no competition courses. Please enlighten us.

No, eventing doesn’t need to adapt or perish. And Bellissimo’s model is more destructive to the nature of the sport than beneficial. It destroys the intent and heart and makes it what many of us already have shown and said, it is h/j over solid fences. Games and gimmicks for the rich.

i don’t know anything about Colorado. What I have seen in the East is one venue after another close because there isn’t enough money to keep them going. I don’t know what the answer is but eventing isn’t working to keep them going. They used to keep afloat because classic supportive families funded it on their own bankroll but that is drying it up as far as I can see. Eventing has to learn to pay for itself somehow or is isn’t going to be there. Whether the answer is whatever MB is offering or whether you can find a better solution, you better do it quick because it’s disappearing, one small venue at a time.

Meanwhile, the entry numbers at the big “destination” venues keep going up while the little ones are barely making it. So I keep hearing all this talk from eventers but the numbers, they are what they are, folks.

Even some of the big venues are in trouble. The VA Horse Center is constantly busy and its financial troubles have been a matter of public record for a long time and has been trying to get back on its feet for years. I can’t remember when it hasn’t struggled despite a full calendar.

Someone has to invest in these infrastructures and they aren’t going to do it out of the goodness of their hearts, they are going to expect to make money. That’s how it works. God bless them because I wouldn’t want to try to get that done. I am very thankful for all our organizers willing to put on events and shows at all levels, from the little ones to the big ones because it’s a lot of work and thankless, compared to the burden. They earn their money, every penny, IMO.

Besides, we are merely followers here. Nothing at WEF is destroying eventing, all that is already happened in Europe and it’s all stemming from the FEI, we’re behind the curve. Eventing as it was in the old days is already long gone and it isn’t coming back. If we delay we just make ourselves less and less competitive on the International scene. It IS showjumping over solid jumps now with gallops in between, and the sooner we just admit it the better off our competition results will be. It is already for the rich or the sponsored-by-the-rich. Our horses go to Europe and fly back and forth across the country for competitions and get bought and sold at the four star level and…you are kidding yourself to think it is anything else. Or has been for many years.

[QUOTE=RAyers;8520189]
eventing doesn’t need to adapt or perish. [/QUOTE]

A thousand times over. We’ve been hearing this for as long as I can remember, yet eventing is still here.

I do, however, have one good idea to improve the sport of eventing: All those people who want VIPs and h/j horse prices and prize money and Olympics? Go find another discipline in which to swan about in tents and brags.

:slight_smile:

RAyers: it’s not often we have similar outlooks, so am gratified to see those with dissimilar POVs coming to similar conclusions about Bellissimo and his approach to eventing. JER: I’m with ya.

Bellissimo events are exciting in locale only. The sport suffers. He is becoming the Genetically Modified Organism of horse sports, trying to graft two very unlike species into what in the ends proves to be a defective, deforming experience.

Further to this thread, the younger professionals will only say nice things about the Wellington Showcase because 1) they don’t want to be rude to the host of the evening’s party. 2) they are not mature or seasoned enough to discern what the “host” has up his sleeve.

I am sympathetic to their wishes to see a very simple wish be gratified: more opportunity, more financial hay to be made. We all understand this. Bellissimo’s approach is not the answer. He is incorrect in his interview, in which he made COTH and horse showing the bottom of the pyramid. Wrong. Putting more fannies in saddles is the answer, having horses return to being a more routine, daily, hands-on experience for people is the answer. We need to figure out how to drive down costs of equestrian participation, plain and simple. One obvious solution is volume.

I just think Bellissimo is severing horses from the general population because he is looking to do as his competitor – and probably arch rival – Tom Struzzieri, has done, which is put in high-end/luxury homes adjacent to the show grounds. Bye-bye XC course, hello, denuded landscapes, pavement, in-ground pools and overgrown houses. And if your exposure to eventing has been solely the Wellington Showcase, you wouldn’t even know that that XC course was a sickness and a dishonor. You would just think that that was normal.

Yes!

[QUOTE=cyberbay;8520568]
RAyers: it’s not often we have similar outlooks, so am gratified to see those with dissimilar POVs coming to similar conclusions about Bellissimo and his approach to eventing. JER: I’m with ya.

Bellissimo events are exciting in locale only. The sport suffers. He is becoming the Genetically Modified Organism of horse sports, trying to graft two very unlike species into what in the ends proves to be a defective, deforming experience.

Further to this thread, the younger professionals will only say nice things about the Wellington Showcase because 1) they don’t want to be rude to the host of the evening’s party. 2) they are not mature or seasoned enough to discern what the “host” has up his sleeve.

I am sympathetic to their wishes to see a very simple wish be gratified: more opportunity, more financial hay to be made. We all understand this. Bellissimo’s approach is not the answer. He is incorrect in his interview, in which he made COTH and horse showing the bottom of the pyramid. Wrong. Putting more fannies in saddles is the answer, having horses return to being a more routine, daily, hands-on experience for people is the answer. We need to figure out how to drive down costs of equestrian participation, plain and simple. One obvious solution is volume.

I just think Bellissimo is severing horses from the general population because he is looking to do as his competitor – and probably arch rival – Tom Struzzieri, has done, which is put in high-end/luxury homes adjacent to the show grounds. Bye-bye XC course, hello, denuded landscapes, pavement, in-ground pools and overgrown houses. And if your exposure to eventing has been solely the Wellington Showcase, you wouldn’t even know that that XC course was a sickness and a dishonor. You would just think that that was normal.[/QUOTE]

Brilliant! Bold mine.

If this is what he wants to do - make eventing some sort of “extreme, expensive, spectator sport” - whatever.

But his approach may very well leave an even more “elitist” perception to the masses, which in turn might discourage that not ultra rich person who wants to get into horses.

That not ultra rich person may be someone who could be extremely talented, but now the sport becomes more and more expensive, thus making less people attracted to it.

[QUOTE=RAyers;8520189]
Spoken like someone who has no idea of the eventing market in Colorado. Hell, you sound like you barely know the h/j market. There isn’t enough money or people to support COHP in this base. I was there in the beginning. I even served on the eventing organizing committee for many years.

You blithely dismiss the venues available. As far as I know the are NO EVENTING facilities within 20 minutes of COHP. There are trainers but no competition courses. Please enlighten us.

No, eventing doesn’t need to adapt or perish. And Bellissimo’s model is more destructive to the nature of the sport than beneficial. It destroys the intent and heart and makes it what many of us already have shown and said, it is h/j over solid fences. Games and gimmicks for the rich.[/QUOTE]

Not very appreciative of Area IX, which concentrates in Colorado.

Very close to COHP, boarding/training facilities: Mile High, Windancer, Platinum, Windy Acres (I think it is) and, going a bit further, the one on top of the tall hill to the south whose name I’ll think of at midnight, probably. I’ve ridden at all. Mile High especially hosts at least a couple of unrecognized events every year, the others all have enough for trailer-ins, and some do unrecognized.

Area IX USEA event schedule linked here. Abbe Ranch, Round Top, Aspen Ridge are an easy drive from COHP. Further but easy access are Moqui Meadows and Windy Wyoming.

I doubt Mark B. is the death knell for eventing in Colorado, or Area IX. With luck the ‘new’ COHP will add entries to Area IX, but we’ll see over time.

Without horse-friendly developers, the horses are going further and further from the population centers. The statistical trend for younger adults is living in town in denser housing centers. That’s the world all horse sport must survive over the coming decades if it is to grow.

This showcase BS is the equivalent of responding to the problem of
“Eventing might die in 30 years because of loss of Land” with

“Oh, No, Better kill it now”

It’s really kind of odd. America doesn’t lack land, especially land that is too hilly for agriculture. We all know that Gladstone worked, and worked well. Why is there not a push to create another Gladstone, a facility with everything that the KY Horse Park has, that would be run as a high performance training facility with stays of various lengths, depending on the level of the rider. Lower level promising riders would come and stay for a lengthy period of time, learning about horse management and riding with the best of the best COACHES. It would be no different from a stint as a working student. Upper level riders (high performance types) could come for much shorter stays for tune-ups, especially before International Games. It would hold competitions in all disciplines at 2* difficulty and above. 2* and above would not interfere with most of the pro riders’ businesses. It could easily be done with a land area the size of the KY Horse Park. It would be permanent and non-profit.

Fannies in saddles are most likely to come from rural areas without access to top notch training. A new Gladstone could fill in the blanks. As it is, relying on cities and suburbs means relying on the rich. And yes, I do know that the old Gladstone relied on the rich, but that was because the Olympics were for amateurs.

Gladstone worked for us and worked well. We need to create a new Gladstone.

Yeah, eventing doesn’t need to adapt or perish. It already has. WEF is nothing new, this is just the outside, sunny version of indoor eventing. Is this the future of eventing? Not any more than the ones in Geneva, or Stuttgart, or Toronto, or France, or…oh, there are a ton of them. It’s the same thing. Badminton has not been cancelled yet. This has three phases of course, so not exactly the same, but the concept is similar.

Gladstone was never for lower level riders to my knowledge. Is that wrong? It was for promising up and coming team riders who had shown and ridden extensively already and were winning, to be brought to the international level by the team coaches.

Anyone who gets to the international level these days MUST BE funded and supported by money. to campaign a horse at that level requires it. The cost of one season – it’s simply too much for an ordinary person to afford without backing. Either you have to be rich, or you have to have backing. That’s all there is to it. I am sorry, but to think you can do this or any Olympic sport without extensive funding – it’s a pipe dream. Eventing Internationally on $5 a Day is no longer a thing, if it ever was.

You don’t want MB? You don’t want the rich? You don’t want prize money? But you want us to be competitive on the international level, right, and get mad when we aren’t. where is the money to come from? These rural kids and their special bond with the horses they find on the track and bring along? Who pays for the coaches? These poor kids from rural areas? Who pays for the new Gladstone? Who pays for the International level coach now that we don’t want money from the rich, since these kids are working students? Working for whom? None of it makes any financial sense. Not when a season at the top level can cost $50-$100k a year. How are these poor rural kids going to learn the ropes at that price? I was a poor rural kid once, my family didn’t make that much money in years. It’s not feasible.

[QUOTE=fordtraktor;8520782]
Yeah, eventing doesn’t need to adapt or perish. It already has.

Gladstone was never for lower level riders to my knowledge. Is that wrong? It was for promising up and coming team riders who had shown and ridden extensively already and were winning, to be brought to the international level by the team coaches.

Anyone who gets to the international level these days MUST BE funded and supported by money. to campaign a horse at that level requires it. The cost of one season – it’s simply too much for an ordinary person to afford without backing. Either you have to be rich, or you have to have backing. That’s all there is to it. I am sorry, but to think you can do this or any Olympic sport without extensive funding – it’s a pipe dream. Eventing Internationally on $5 a Day is no longer a thing, if it ever was.

You don’t want MB? You don’t want the rich? You don’t want prize money? But you want us to be competitive on the international level, right, and get mad when we aren’t. where is the money to come from? These rural kids and their special bond with the horses they find on the track and bring along? Who pays for the coaches? These poor kids from rural areas? Who pays for the new Gladstone? Who pays for the International level coach now that we don’t want money from the rich, since these kids are working students? Working for whom? None of it makes any financial sense.[/QUOTE]

I used to care if we were internationally competitive. I don’t anymore. If the tradeoff for us to be internationally competitive is that the most fun and essential aspects of the sport for the overwhelming majority of the participants (i.e. the comraderie and the xc) have to be destroyed, then I say good riddance to gold medals and good riddance to the Olympics.

I watched a little of the WES this time around and I have to say it was not very entertaining for me. It was odd to watch horse and rider loop around so many times, the “fake” terrain was odd (was that a water question?), and the ride through the tent at the end was just dumb. Though I thought Schramms did a good job, the interview right after finishing was close to worthless other than pure “show”. Moving horse, out of breath rider, distracted mind, it was as bad as the NASCAR interviews of drivers right after they get out of a car…blah blah blah thank my sponsors, fans, oh and this horse here…which one is it again? They would never dare to say nothing but praise for the event for fear of getting cut out of the next one. Money has entered the room and its effects are just now being seen.

Whatever it was, it is not Eventing (Combined Horse Trials et al) and as a participant in the sport I’d wish it not be labeled so. Te other aspect, after reading that post regarding MB’s own words, is that they seem false in one sense. WES, since it is not Eventing, may become a people watcher, but what then brings those people into the greater effort of real Eventing? Another post mentioned how nice that they did not have tired horses after 4 minutes (and pros could try more than once for the prize), but part of the point in our sport is to train well enough that you do not have a tired pony after 10 minutes of cross country. What WES shows is that people can get away with minimal training, on made horses, riding at fancy places.

blech!

As to impact, consider this article about the upcoming AECs at TEIC (which I am attending at Novice)

http://tryon.coth.com/article/etb-equine-construction-set-to-build-2016-nutrena-usea-american-eventing-championship-cross-country-course-at-tiec

When you read it you will find that the first part of the cross country course will start in a derby field…a derby field. Only after doing something there will it go out into actual…countryside. I wait to see what it really looks like, but not only am I troubled by the idea of starting in such a manner, but that the jumps are going to be more of the artsy kind which might cause more issues with horses (at the low levels) who are not use to so much bling under their hooves.

AECs are not about Pros, even though they are there. They make up a very small percentage of the whole, yet just in reading this article, is seems like MB is grooming the place to appeal to Pros (and Money) and not so much to the heart of this sport.

He has talked about making TEAC another 4*, but if this is any indication of what he has in store for a 4* course, it will be glitzy, compact, and made more for spectators and not for the teams or for the heart of this sport.

One last thought. Watching WE it made apparent that the other change we are seeing is the deconstruction of the bond between horse and rider. As Denny Emerson once said, professionals are becoming jockeys, ramming horses through the system for owners to make money. I even heard in one interview a rider say “well I’ve not ridden this horse enough…” Really? Who did for it to jump such a large course? I grant the talent to get on an almost unknown horse and ride it in a big venue, but sadly, I cared neither for horse or rider (although maybe the horse more). As Eventing turns to a bastardized version of horse racing, we will see an even greater divide between the amatuer foundation of the sport (that rides one horse for a long time) and the professional jockeys that swap multiple mounts in a day.

Wellington does nothing for me other than ask the question, do I still want to be involved in this sport any more.:cry: