Were you surprised? (welfare in dressage at all levels)

[Bluey]

Guess there are different ways to team pen.
In ranch rodeos in TX, they have cattle behind a line, one cowboy goes in there and sorts their number, generally three cattle and pushes them out and that cowboy and two others chase them around and into a pen on the other side.

Barns that offer team penning around here have also team sorting and those are different, generally two riders go into a pen and run those with a number out.

You can see all kinds of riding there, but most that is for time in competition and tends to be kind of everything goes, rarely anyone has the time to go easy and move cattle without stirring them up, something you don"t want working cattle, makes working them next time more difficult, hard on cattle and just poor cattle handling.

[Knights_Mom]

We always went in slow because they are easier to track and maneuver that way.

Again, I did team penning not team sorting. And no animals were hurt. Touching cattle is forbidden.

[Bogey2]

well this train has been derailed LOL

[Montanas_Girl]

What a strange hill to choose die on. But I suppose we are just to believe that what you’ve experienced at a couple of local play days is a better representation of team penning than what occurs at the highest level of the sport? Rich coming from someone who doesn’t know the difference between a curb and a snaffle, I have to say.

[pluvinel]

@Bogey2

well this train has been derailed LOL

I plead guilty, guilty, guilty…since I brought the “functional” aspects of “team penning”…whatever version/manner/incarnation that activity may be.

My point about bringing up “functional” was that in “team penning” (whatever it is) the horse/rider need to do a “job” (sort a cow and herd it into a pen) in a period of time. Whether that “job” is done gracefully, with good, tactful horsemanship, was not my point.

My point in bringing up “team penning” (whatever it is) was that “team penning” was NOT a subjectively judged event as the clock was timekeeper and there were actual results that the horse/rider had to accomplish. And dressage had not such functional requirements.

That is all. Jump on me for bringing up team penning…since I have never sorted a cow.

My personal OPINION (key word) is that whenever you introduce competition into any horse activities, good horsemanship goes out the window. This happens when the desire to win trumps the desire to be a good horseman (gender generic) who produce calm, well trained horses.

[CanteringCarrot]

@Bogey2

well this train has been derailed LOL

'tis the nature of COTH

[Bluey]

Right, all of us are on a learning curve.
Down the years we can look back and laugh at ourselves and be glad of all the chances we had all along to listen and learn more.

Basically, when it comes to competing by time, finesse and grace and so much else may come short, to be seen in all disciplines also, not just western ones.
A good example, hunters and jumpers.
As a jumper resented to be considered more wild, it took me time to develop an eye for more style over jumps.

[Aussie_2020]

I was starting to wonder about wet saddle blankets again.

[Jealoushe]

Since team penning has entered the chat… just LOOK at this miserable horse!

Ashley Bosack on Instagram: "The Wolfpack threw down Friday night! *Baby...

[pluvinel]

@Jealoushe

Since team penning has entered the chat… just LOOK at this miserable horse!

The horse looks fine…The comments say the “baby” is a doll…I sure hope so.

Which raises the question of what did carrying a baby doll add to this work? Must be a back story to this.

[Bluey]

I would guess is a free style cutting class.

Nothing to do with team penning at all.

[kate-and-lingho]

It’s a costume class, the rider is dressed up as Zach Galifianakis in The Hangover. Someone else in the background is dressed up as Luke Skywalker from Star Wars.

[pluvinel]

@kate-and-lingho

It’s a costume class, the rider is dressed up as Zach Galifianakis in The Hangover. Someone else in the background is dressed up as Luke Skywalker from Star Wars.

Thank you! Learn something new on COTH!

[Jealoushe]

yes it’s a doll It’s a costume of Alan from the movie “The Hangover”. The whole team is in dress

[Knights_Mom]

@Montanas_Girl

What a strange hill to choose die on. But I suppose we are just to believe that what you’ve experienced at a couple of local play days is a better representation of team penning than what occurs at the highest level of the sport? Rich coming from someone who doesn’t know the difference between a curb and a snaffle, I have to say.

Bless your heart!

Quite frankly, I question YOUR expertise and experience. It seems seriously lacking. So lacking that you find it necessary to attempt to demean and degrade others.

This point should not be so important to you that you find it necessary to degrade but if that’s the game you want to play I’ll “be your Huckleberry”.

Most horsemen would acknowledge that practices and games differ in various parts of the country.

I can only assume you aren’t knowledgeable enough to know that.

That’s why in gymkhana events games are not just named, they are specified. So it’s not just Keyhole, it might be Montana Keyhole.

Maybe if YOU got around more you’d know that.

For team penning, access to not only cattle but FRESH cattle plays a role. So things might be different in Massachusetts than they are in Texas, for that factor alone.

How do I know this? I tried to put on a team penning just like I managed AQHA rated horse shows and PRCA rodeos.

But by all means, tell me again how you know all and I know nothing.

[Knights_Mom]

@Mardi1

@Knights_Mom

My barn at that time did 2 on 1 penning. I’ve also done 3 on 2. I prefer 2 on 1. And the herd isn’t in apen, they are in the arena. You herd that specific steer into a 3 sided pen.

This is the team penning I’m familiar with. Back in the '80’s there was a local boarding stable that held TP on Friday or Saturday nights, and we went for fun. The arena was huge, and there were two riders on a team. The horses we took were a mixed bag of pleasure and show horses.

I went to competitions in neighboring states, not just at my barn.

[pluvinel]

@Jealoushe

yes it’s a doll It’s a costume of Alan from the movie “The Hangover”. The whole team is in dress

Obviously I need to expand my movie repertoire…never heard of it which is why it went over my head

[Montanas_Girl]

@Knights_Mom

Quite frankly, I question YOUR expertise and experience. It seems seriously lacking. So lacking that you find it necessary to attempt to demean and degrade others.

This might be the most hilariously inaccurate comment I’ve ever seen on COTH. And I’ve been here for decades.

I’ll be sure to tell my multiple world champion team penner friends that a dressage rider says they’re doing it wrong.

You are quite a piece of work, aren’t you? Wild accusations and personal insults for anyone who dares to correct or disagree with you on any topic. You know, I’ve tried to give you the benefit of the doubt across multiple threads lately for the outbursts you’ve made against other posters. I still hold a lot of respect and affection for you from your actions on and following 9/11. I think I’ll be putting you on my (very short) ignore list to avoid damaging the positive impression I’ve held of your character for so long previously.

[Knights_Mom]

@Montanas_Girl

@Knights_Mom

Quite frankly, I question YOUR expertise and experience. It seems seriously lacking. So lacking that you find it necessary to attempt to demean and degrade others.

This might be the most hilariously inaccurate comment I’ve ever seen on COTH. And I’ve been here for decades.

I’ll be sure to tell my multiple world champion team penner friends that a dressage rider says they’re doing it wrong.

You are quite a piece of work, aren’t you? Wild accusations and personal insults for anyone who dares to correct or disagree with you on any topic. You know, I’ve tried to give you the benefit of the doubt across multiple threads lately for the outbursts you’ve made against other posters. I still hold a lot of respect and affection for you from your actions on and following 9/11. I think I’ll be putting you on my (very short) ignore list to avoid damaging the positive impression I’ve held of your character for so long previously.

OMG you came after me. Please just put me on your total ignore list.

[Alterration]

Is it a full moon? It must be a full moon. I can’t explain much of this otherwise.