Those of you in the know–it’s been years since I’ve watched Westminster–does the CNBC coverage tonight have more of the dogs? It’s an hour longer than the USA coverage, but I don’t know if that extra hour is all filler?
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Wow…apparently some members need another cup of coffee…or their happy pills?
I have just as much right to state WHY I am not watching westminster as you do to say you are…unless I missed some memo that prohibits me from posting my opinion???
Perhaps some members werent aware of this issue…merely bringing it to light via my opinion…
It has nothing to do with feeding their food(I dont feed Purina garbage either)…and everything to do with the support, networking and “limelight” they give to shelter dogs in our country. I find it disheartening that Westminster is axing them due to this…
the fact is…MANY John Q’s watch the dog show…why not help promote adoption…because let’s face it, most John Q’s needs for a family dog could be filled with a $100 pup from the shelter then a $1500 pup from a show breeder…and we know where the middle ground is…the dreaded puppy mills…why not open up the possability of them looking into a shelter or rescue?
My final post on the matter…carry on.[/QUOTE]
Well said!!! Certainly hope this isn’t your last post on this subject.
Live TV coverage begins at 8 eastern on USA, then switches over to CNBC at 9 because USA is showing their regular monday night programming of WWE Raw…
So it’s not a matter of more or less filler -the CNBC coverage is also live- it’s the same people on a different channel.
Bacardi, just for the record, this has nothing to do with pouting, foot stomping or breath holding. Merely voicing a different opinion. From your repeated use of “LOL” I assume you’re a youngster and it’s perhaps a view you should at least consider.
Ohhhhhh. I see. Thanks!
You’re welcome.
And it’s on!!!
And we’re almost to the Ridgeback! Yay!
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i will not watch Westminster because of their elitist tactics, not because of who they chose as sponsor, but WHY. They did an opinion poll and used the results of that poll to make a decision which should be made out of a sense of dignity for all dogs. I respect responsible breeders, and the rights of individuals to choose to own a bred dog.
just like politics, everything is driven by poll numbers instead of what is RIGHT. this is downright kommenesque.[/QUOTE]
Seriously? You’re saying the opinion of those people who watch and/or support Westminster doesn’t matter? Why on earth not? It’s a DOG SHOW. On TV. The only people who do matter are the ones watching it and paying for the air time. And to be honest, most of them probably support rescues and shelters…just not during the 2 hours it’s on live TV.
That’s like saying all thoroughbreds are the same. Somehow, I don’t think the breeders of Zenyatta (or insert the Westminster equivalent) consider themselves the same type of “breeder” as the ones who don’t sell at the Fasig-Tipton Open Yearling sale. Just because a dog is a pure bred doesn’t mean it’s WELL-BRED. There is a big difference.
Loved the wirehaired dachshund and the PBGV! Great happy attitudes.
Don’t forget to change the channel!
Didn’t PBGV’s used to be a lot less … scissored? I swear I remember them from their first year in AKC and they were one of the “don’t touch the coat with clippers or scissors” breeds?
Guys, I really didnt want to start a war here…just wanted to voice my opinion on how I did not agree with their choice, and thus…just like I don’t patronize certain stores whose choices I dont agree with, I wont be watching…
It has nothing to do with purebred or mutt…breeder or rescuer…In my mind, its not even the money aspect…but the general feeling of “we dont want anything about the plight of homeless animals” I got from the article…perhaps Purina will continue where pedigree left off…but based on the articles I’ve read, I don’t know if that will happen.
I leave yall to enjoy westminster.
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Guys, I really didnt want to start a war here…just wanted to voice my opinion on how I did not agree with their choice, and thus…just like I don’t patronize certain stores whose choices I dont agree with, I wont be watching…
It has nothing to do with purebred or mutt…breeder or rescuer…In my mind, its not even the money aspect…but the general feeling of “we dont want anything about the plight of homeless animals” I got from the article…perhaps Purina will continue where pedigree left off…but based on the articles I’ve read, I don’t know if that will happen.
I leave yall to enjoy westminster.[/QUOTE]
That’s the attitude of the new oligarchy, welcome to the land that used to be a nation state, and now prides itself on no industrial/agricultural economy to support any of them without resorting to importing from China or some country trying to pay it’s unpayable debts by importing food they need to eat. We don’t want to see those dirty starving dogs stuffed into the shelter during our semi-annual or weekly escape to the froo froo show or football games! Too much reality! On to the Empah, Bully, Bully!
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We don’t want to see those dirty starving dogs stuffed into the shelter during our semi-annual or weekly escape to the froo froo show or football games! Too much reality! On to the Empah, Bully, Bully![/QUOTE]
:rolleyes:
Or, maybe we actually want to just watch a dog show.
Maybe the Breeder’s Cup and Kentucky Derby should start airing anti-horse slaughter ads before the race. They can show the abused, starving ex-racehorses that didn’t win the blanket of roses. I’ll bet those people who actually watch the race would love it.
It’s interesting how the defensive, inappropriately irate tone here of (some of) the “we just wanna watch a dog show!” folks mirrors that of the AKC itself on this issue. Nobody is trying to rip your purebred out of your hands and make you take home an abused pit bull instead; quit putting on this ridiculous air of victimhood. The dogs - purebred, random-bred, and well-bred - are ones who get killed in shelters. (And the AKC’s little dealings with the mill industry has helped fill shelters, so don’t try to draw a thick black line between the AKC’s “responsible breeder” purebreds and what happens in shelters. The breeders themselves are often nice people who do the right thing, but the registry they support has often done the wrong thing.)
The Pedigree ads were charming during the dog show because they SEEMED to indicate that the dog fancy was truly a DOG fancy, not just a purebred dog fancy. Apparently, this was a generous interpretation of the situation, and the AKC and some fanciers were sitting there stewing that they were losing valuable ad time to promote the competition.
To add various caveats: I’ve owned a purebred, I’ve shown AKC dogs, I have known very nice, good people who show AKC. I don’t think everyone should be strong-armed into buying a shelter dog if they want a breeder dog. And I don’t feed Pedigree. But so many of the things the AKC does are shockingly tone-deaf to the (presumed) average prospective puppy buyer’s sensibilities, and increasingly offensive to anyone who owns a dog who is not a well-bred purebred.
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Guys, I really didnt want to start a war here…just wanted to voice my opinion on how I did not agree with their choice, and thus…just like I don’t patronize certain stores whose choices I dont agree with, I wont be watching…
It has nothing to do with purebred or mutt…breeder or rescuer…In my mind, its not even the money aspect…but the general feeling of “we dont want anything about the plight of homeless animals” I got from the article…perhaps Purina will continue where pedigree left off…but based on the articles I’ve read, I don’t know if that will happen.
I leave yall to enjoy westminster.[/QUOTE]
Unless you’re a member of the Neilsen rating program this month, it really doesn’t matter if you watch or not. No one will know.
I love dogs a LOT, and I thought the Pedigree ads were well done. Many were funny (“Oh, you said Anti-OXIDENT, I thought you said Anti-Dachshund!”) but the shelter ads were SAD but accomplished their purpose: 2 years in a row I hit “Donate NOW” while the show was running.
I like the new Purina ads, (Inside every good dog is a great dog) because it reminds people, ie sentimentally, that their ordinary dog can be a GREAT DOG (albeit if they feed Purina Pro Plan).
At least the border collie looked and moved like one, not like a skinnier black and white aussie, as some have looked before.
That judge that sent him to this class did know to pick a real one.
That border collie looked like it could work sheep right now, if someone slipped them in the ring.
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Seriously? You’re saying the opinion of those people who watch and/or support Westminster doesn’t matter? Why on earth not? It’s a DOG SHOW. On TV. The only people who do matter are the ones watching it and paying for the air time. And to be honest, most of them probably support rescues and shelters…just not during the 2 hours it’s on live TV.
That’s like saying all thoroughbreds are the same. Somehow, I don’t think the breeders of Zenyatta (or insert the Westminster equivalent) consider themselves the same type of “breeder” as the ones who don’t sell at the Fasig-Tipton Open Yearling sale. Just because a dog is a pure bred doesn’t mean it’s WELL-BRED. There is a big difference.[/QUOTE]
to your first paragraph… the westminster is the only AKC event which i am aware of which makes policy based on polling data.
FERDINAND WINNER KENTUCKY DERBY 1986 dead IN A SLAUGHTERHOUSE.
Okay not trying to start another “train-wreck” on this thread - but WHY do they continue to reward the German Shepards? I mean it is all I could do to watch that dog and then to have him win breed-WHY, WHY WHY??? I like GSDs but I am so disgusted with what the conformation people have done to this breed- there is no way that dog could ever hold up to do what it was bred to do-HERDING.
As a aside the handler of the Aussie Shep is the son of the owner of my dog’s sire-so that was neat.
And in the breed judging earlier today I got to watch my agility trainer and her Mal win an Award of Merit- YEA Lynn and “Jack”!!!:):)
Agreed!
The bio from infodog.com about tonight’s Herding Group Judge is insightful:
HOUSTON CLARK
Being reared on a horse farm with walking and gaited horses, Houston’s interest in animals started at a young age.
He showed walking an gaited horses until he was in his teens.
His first purebred dog was a German Shepherd Dog he purchased in the mid-1950’s.
He began training and showing dogs in Obedience, where he won several Highs in Trial; he also taught for the Chattanooga Obedience Club.
Houston’s hobby changed quickly to conformation and he became an all-breed licensed handler in 1964. He and wife, Toddie, built a boarding, grooming and show kennel and over the years they intermittently bred, owned and showed, German Shepherd Dogs, Miniature Pinschers and Doberman Pinschers.
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:rolleyes:
Or, maybe we actually want to just watch a dog show.
Maybe the Breeder’s Cup and Kentucky Derby should start airing anti-horse slaughter ads before the race. They can show the abused, starving ex-racehorses that didn’t win the blanket of roses. I’ll bet those people who actually watch the race would love it.[/QUOTE]
Who cares whether they love it or not? It is reality and it really does bite doesn’t it? Time to take responsiblity for the problem n’est pas, or does that creep into the comfort zone. I used to compete field trial beagles way back when, when the brace trials were the going concern more than pack. The beagles were the sorriest looking bunch of dogs I had ever seen, AKC sanctioned those and some of the dogs had overbites (we even had one) that was at least an inch, he had a fabulous nose, maybe owing to the overbite, but AHHHH! The breed was being killed, did they recommend or even care about that? No! Field trials were field trials, and the conformation trials were just that but opposite. Do you think one of those geniuses would have made the recommendation for the betterment of the breed that perhaps we should stop inbreeding and creating things that looked like inbred Whippets? No, they did not.
I also heartily agree with the poster who said they participate in allowing the puppy mills. I have been there and seen that. 300 dogs at Amish farms, AKC REGISTERED! What about that? It is not about Pedigree or some damned poll, they are just another “Grammy Awards” red carpet bunch of crap. The working dogs breeds don’t work, they look good, same goes for the hunting dogs. It is totally insane. I love dogs, all of them, and any chance that the general public gets to see good dogs doing what good dogs can do, and know that those that look good aesthetically can also do good work, that is the real good we should be aiming at. I have seen too much torture in my life in the name of “success”. It does not need to be this way.
