The unsafe factor for riding in a chambon is that a chambon does not have any release. If the horse hits/fights it for any reason, there is no ‘give’ and the animal can throw itself against the restriction with dangerous results for both of you. A De Gogue has the same action as a chambon, but is designed for riding in: it allows the rider to release the tension when needed.
I do know someone who has a permanent brain injury from riding in a chambon. The proper tool for the job is generally a better idea.
I know I’m going to get dragged for this but I actually almost never pick out my horse’s feet. I think the mud creates a natural pad and stops the sole from getting bruised. That said, my horse has zero rocks in her paddock. If we’re out on a rocky trail ride I’ll check to make sure she doesn’t have any stuck but when we get back. It works for us. She has very healthy feet and has never had any thrush issues or abscesses. I’m not saying everyone should stop picking out their horse’s feet. It just works for my horse. prepares to get murdered
I don’t agree that a DeGogue has the same action as a chambon at all. The DeGogue also has influence over the tip of the nose, which a Chambon does not at all.
And second, excuse my stupidity, I can’t see from photos how a DeGogue gives the rider the ability to release. Both have the same poll attachment, the chambon clips to the bit to have only poll action while the DeGogue continues through the bit to attach at a center point to influence the tip of the nose. Perhaps I’m not seeing the action, or where a rider would release the pressure?
That does not resemble any DeGogue I have seen in use. A DeGogue attaches to the reins so the rider can ‘give’ when called for. Both those examples are essentially the same device and I would call them both chambons (or a variation thereof).
I “submitted” to the horse hierarchy, didn’t establish me as the alpha.
Context: when visiting my low on the totem poll horses, in group turnout, I let the alpha male inspect me (for carrots whatever he thought I had).
Once he completed, I’d go to groom, fuss, with my horses in peace…
if i didn’t, the alpha would push in anyway and push my horses around aggressively. I considered that action dangerous to me.
Tip: carry a longe whip when in a field of horses. Their normal interactions can be dangerous to nearby humans.
Isn’t that a German martingale? Correct me if I’m wrong. Remember when pony was in full jumping training, and trainer used it a couple of times instead of the draw reins that most (didn’t say all) jumpers use.
I think some DeGogues come with special reins, which is maybe what @Beck is talking about? Instead of the part that has been run through the bit going to the part that goes to the girth, they clip to (special, shorter) reins instead?
That is a DeGogue per the Google Expert. Both go over the poll, only one goes through the bit rings to attach to something else. Anyone with more knowledge, please correct me.
If we’re talking about the ability to release, neck stretchers are also out, unless you think you’ll have the wherewithal to reach up to the poll and loosen it when you’re .25 seconds from a wreck (I know I wouldn’t). But people ride in them constantly, from what I’ve seen.
Not offensive but if you have long hair, dangerous. If you come off at a weird angle your hair can get caught in the tack or if you are on the ground and the horse whips a leg through your long hair you could be scalped.
I’m laughing because the one I do was mentioned early on as a never ever do that- I was taught to post on the wrong diagonal for a few laps each direction to help strengthen the inside stifle, almost like resistance training. Never more than a few laps, but I do find it helps my weak stifled TB
Aha oki never ever seen anything that goes over the poll then through the bit then clip the reins. Where the hell does it go to? The saddle or ? I mean how would you ride in that? Because when lunging you can attach to the lunging roller but if your riding you are kind of in the way. Or I’m really not using my brain and I’m totally confused.
Now I have to go research this. I also don’t use very much. I’ve used draw reins here and there but only when my trainer had them on my pony other that that I ride my horses in hackamores can’t really attach anything to them.
Once as a teen I got hung up by my head in an accident. Got caught up by my helmet and my ear. Tore right though my cartilage and nearly choked me unconscious. My loose hair slipped right through, didn’t get caught on anything at all. Freak accidents are gonna freak accident, and I’m not going to impede my athletic performance by wearing my hair in a way that’s uncomfortable for me, just as I won’t go around telling people that the straps on helmets are unsafely designed because of a one in a million accident that happened when I was 12.
Couple of things. The poster who talked about her hair talked about riding with it completely loose. That’s what I was addressing when I talked about getting scalped. The second is that the official word from Charles Owen is that the only acceptable way to tuck your hair in your helmet is to have your helmet fitted when your hair is tucked up. And if you fit your helmet with your hair tucked up, you must always ride with your hair up, since it can change the fit so dramatically.
My horse is almost fully blind on the left side. I walk on the right side so he can see where I am. They spook away from the things they see.
My first horse was trained to be mounted from both sides as he was also a therapy horse, so I did it to keep him in practice.
I clean the feet in the correct order for a rider, and then sometimes I clean them in the order that the farrier does to keep my horse in practice for both.
My horse is retired, so I’m afraid it doesn’t get much more exciting than that.
