First it was the O’Connors, now it’s WAZ. The good news is it only gives fuel to the followers in defending their deity. There’s no way that 3-day eventers and dressage riders are getting interested in PP propaganda just because one of their own is putting up with that circus.
oi.
lol pp simplify dressage? wow, that’s the funniest thing i’ve heard all week!
Parelli works for me. Shrug. I’ve learned a lot, and it’s a lot of fun.
I admire Linda for her desire to continue learning and her willingness to be vulnerable in public. (You think she doesn’t know y’all are making fun of her?)
I hate to watch Pat jump, and I’m sick of his stories.
But I don’t mind that I bought the one expensive leadrope 8 years ago, or so. It’s a terrific tool. I use it every day. Well worth the price.
It’s not for everyone, but it works well for my horse and me. It’s a mystery to me why this topic is such a hot button.
Ever hear of the word “Hypocrite”? 
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Ever hear of the word “Hypocrite”? ;)[/QUOTE]Yes. If they were interested in a real classical dressage = they would off been riding on the lunge line first, not doing tricks on a schoolmaster with high praise and clapping audience.
The hookup with WAZ is mutually beneficial, in that it adds the dressage wannabe’s to the horseman wannabes. The dressage wannabes think that if they take one sideways step, they are doing LY, and getting from E to B and back again constitutes a circle. :lol: :lol:
Yeah, well all I can say to those LP dressagies… “Bring it to the ring”…
:lol:
[QUOTE]You think she doesn’t know y’all are making fun of her?
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I’m sure she does, but she’s probably laughing all the way to the bank.
I have bought two Parrelli trained horses. BOTH were the most disrespectful horses I have ever owned! The first one, the deciding factor to buy her was that she was trained up their levels. I thought that would make it easier on me. NOT!!
Ok, I thought that horse was just a fluke.
Buy another one trained that way… It is almost exactly the same way, just worse!
So I have lost all respect for their methods. Not to say maybe mine were trained wrong? But two of them?? Both acting almost the same?
I learned natural horsemanship by living and breathing horses as a kid. Some say I have a gift with them. Maybe some people have the natural ability to learn it, and some don’t. In example: My sister (older then me) to this day, cannot read a horses body language like she should. She has been around horses just as long as I have. She is in the “doesn’t come naturally” catergory.
I have found the ones who are into the commercial natural horsemanship are the ones like my sister and/or are beginners. Ones who don’t know better.
I don’t think your experience is unusual. The worst behaved horse I ever saw was owned by a Parelli devotee. The things she did with that horse were incredibly dangerous and put her and everyone around her at risk, and she was asked to leave where I boarded. The horse wouldn’t load, wouldn’t lunge, wouldn’t nothin’. The WORST thing about the stunts was they were irrelevant and formed no basis for riding or even lunging safely, and the woman regularly got dumped, run away with and thrown when the horse bucked or spooked.
People who don’t ride well and don’t have a good seat can’t teach people to ride in a safe, secure way; the Parelli system actually teaches people to be unsafe. And it also appears, they have no rational, safe system of horse handling on the ground to teach people, I have yet to see a Parelli trained horse that is safe to load, lead or lunge.
Kinda like a trained money in a 1200 lb body:eek::eek:
Kinda like a trained money in a 1200 lb body
I guess that was a freudian slip:lol:
Please someone post the link to the freestyle LP did that was on youtube. It was ridden to some sappy gushy tune some some guy wrote. I can’t find it anymore on youtube. Memorable for the section where she does this weird thing at the canter jitterbugging in the saddle- the opposite of ‘fluidity’.
I never did find out what that was supposed to accomplish other than to annoy the horse.
Like Elaine’s orgasms- fake fake fake fake fake:)
Hilarious thread!
Pirelli and his traveling show used to be part of the Horse Expo here. I have never seen such a dangerous demonstration in my life. He had the arena full of his acolytes, each one performing some “game” or other, while his son, who has some disability, wandered in and out of the whirling gamesters. There were several near-misses.
I have never seen such an irresponsible display in my life. There were, of course, many newbie horse owners in the audience. I wondered how many of these novices would go home and try to replicate what they saw “demonstrated” with less than stellar results.
One of the dumbest things I se Pirellistas do is lunge their horses, but not turn with the horse as he goes around. Instead, they lift the lunge line over their heads as the horse goes behind them. One good scoot when the horse is behind you and the “Pirellongeur” will end up flat on his/her back.
I know a pro who tried Parelli methods under the guidance of a certified Parelli trainer for a difficult horse. It made more problems.
My fav is the one where you gallop your horse (while riding it, I mean) into the trailer! Who needs that pesky head anyway!:lol:
YEEHAHH!!
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My fav is the one where you gallop your horse (while riding it, I mean) into the trailer! Who needs that pesky head anyway!:lol:
YEEHAHH!![/QUOTE]
HAHAHAHAHAHA That was funny. I don’t know, I never really watched them. I just hope that through all of this WAZ teaming up with them that Dressage will be much more popular. I lived in the midwest from southwest MO to Rapid City SD. Except for the little pockets of Dressage all you find is western. If the western people start trying “some Dressage” maybe a greater good will come out of it. There is a guy in Rapid City that was western then became a very prominent dressage trainer/rider. It can happen. So I am looking at the good of this. Although some of you are making my morning with your hilarious posts. Mike.
Parelli is for the truly clueless. There is not a shred of intelligent horsemanship to be found in that method. Who is that guy that does infomercials by screaming at the top of his lungs? He does kitchen knives, little hamburger-makers, etc? I can’t wait 'till he is doing an infomercial for the Parelli method. It’s along the same (tasteless) lines 
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Parelli is for the truly clueless. There is not a shred of intelligent horsemanship to be found in that method. Who is that guy that does infomercials by screaming at the top of his lungs? He does kitchen knives, little hamburger-makers, etc? I can’t wait 'till he is doing an infomercial for the Parelli method. It’s along the same (tasteless) lines :D[/QUOTE]
BILLY MAYS HERE!!!WITH THE NEW PARELLI!!!
LMAO - Perrrrrfect! :lol::lol::lol:
Interesting…
Slightly hi-jack-ish, but I am interested to hear from those of you who have had bad experiences with Parelli-trained horses. My paint gelding was Parelli-fied before I got him, and I also thought it would mean that he was pleasant and good to handle on the ground. He is the only horse in my barn full of regular-old-trained-by-old-fashioned-me horses that has ever repeatedly tried to run through me. He also has been tricky temperamentally-- if I ride him like a zoned-out slob with no rein or leg and let him jog around half asleep, he is quiet to the point of pluggishness. As soon as I pick up the reins and say, hey let’s get to work, he is uptight and sometimes resentful. Actually, he has made a good deal of progress since I first got him, but I have had to really work hard to establish anything like trust in the aids from him. His attitude reminded me of the “learned helplessness” comment a few posts back-- there is no actual response there, only a sort of withdrawal. It is a shame too, because he is a really smart horse and athletically capable, but I feel like both his natural ability and his natural good nature have been subverted by his previous handling.
ps. Beasmom, love the term “Pirellongeur”. I chanced on a brief demo of LP’s longeing technique on RFDTV a few nights ago, and I think it was one of the most frightening and confusing things I’ve ever seen.
I rode in a Ray Hunt clinic. He was the real deal. Grumpy as hell with people who weren’t listening or thought they knew better, but very helpful to me and others who were desperately trying to get that “feel” he talked about.
I’ve never seen a John Lyons tape. But he did a 2-day clinic at my barn 7 or 8 years ago and I was impressed with him. He had some merchandise for sale, but wasn’t gimmicky in the least. He was very patient with riders and horses, and seemed to have a sense of humor (like when Bright Zip didn’t do quite what Lyons wanted).
Did anyone else see the Cesar Millan episode with Pat P? PP works on desensitizing the horse (a cow kicker), then gets her to lead. They’re going along OK, then they halt and he asks her to walk again, but she doesn’t. So he brings out the magick carrot stick to get her going again.
But it was HIS fault she didn’t walk on. He was clearly blocking her with his lead arm. I backed up the tape and even my husband saw it. Anyway, funny stuff. I think the “dressagies” would think a lot more of him and the missus if they would just say “oops, sorry for bad-talking you folks. You ain’t so bad after all.” But I’m not holding my breath.
So he brings out the magick carrot stick to get her going again.
What did he do with the carrot stick? What do they use that for anyway? Is it used like a crop?
My farrier told me a story of how he was shoeing a horse at a stables where they were holding a Pepperoni clinic. He said some of the people in the clinic tied their horses to an metal, portable fence. One of the horses spooked and took the fence and all the other horse with him as he bolted away. Many of the horses were injured, some needing stitches. It’s a wonder no spectators got hurt. The thing with the Pepperonis and their cult followers is that they seem to have no common sense.
It’s because so many Pepperoni cultists are greenhorns. If the DID have common sense, they could see Emperor Pat has no clothes.
