What is all this about the Parellis and dressage

[wehrlegirl]

[QUOTE=baymare;4001926]
Slightly hi-jack-ish, but I am interested to hear from those of you who have had bad experiences with Parelli-trained horses. My paint gelding was Parelli-fied before I got him, and I also thought it would mean that he was pleasant and good to handle on the ground. He is the only horse in my barn full of regular-old-trained-by-old-fashioned-me horses that has ever repeatedly tried to run through me. He also has been tricky temperamentally-- if I ride him like a zoned-out slob with no rein or leg and let him jog around half asleep, he is quiet to the point of pluggishness. As soon as I pick up the reins and say, hey let’s get to work, he is uptight and sometimes resentful. Actually, he has made a good deal of progress since I first got him, but I have had to really work hard to establish anything like trust in the aids from him. His attitude reminded me of the “learned helplessness” comment a few posts back-- there is no actual response there, only a sort of withdrawal. It is a shame too, because he is a really smart horse and athletically capable, but I feel like both his natural ability and his natural good nature have been subverted by his previous handling.

ps. Beasmom, love the term “Pirellongeur”. I chanced on a brief demo of LP’s longeing technique on RFDTV a few nights ago, and I think it was one of the most frightening and confusing things I’ve ever seen.[/QUOTE]

I went through the same exact thing… same attitude display and everything… got her from two teenagers who rode her bareback with a lead line, no pressure or asking to perform and she was fine ( of course knew all the Parelli tricks) … we got her and all hell broke loose to the point she could not handle any insistence to move forward on the lunge or contact with a bit and would flip over. Absolutely killer… I will never ever buy a horse that has had parelli training again- ever.

[mp]

[QUOTE=FancyFree;4001994]
What did he do with the carrot stick? What do they use that for anyway? Is it used like a crop?[/QUOTE]

He kinda pointed and waved it at her hindquarters (as he opened his lead hand), if I recall correctly. I don’t think it means he’s incompetent or anything. I just found it funny that he couldn’t see what he was doing wrong and blamed the horse instead. Sort of a “physician heal thyself” moment.

There’s a kid at my barn who’s giving Parelli “lessons” to a few women (why is it always women???) I’ve watched them in lessons and working alone with their horses. These horses are well trained, they’re under saddle, have no issues AFIK. I asked one of the women why she was doing this. “It’s fun.” I sooooo wanted to tell her not for your horse it isn’t. He’s bored to death. :lol:

These gals would be so much better off if they’d just learn to ride better. Their horses are very nice ranch-bred/broke horses. I’d love to have one. I guess that’s too much work. Or not enough “fun.” :rolleyes:

[ThreeFigs]

What a shame! Ranch broke horses don’t need Parelli! Those gals need to shut up and ride.

[STF]

@Beasmom;4002001

It’s because so many Pepperoni cultists are greenhorns. If the DID have common sense, they could see Emperor Pat has no clothes.

Or where he REALLY took his shirt off at a clinic in front of a ton of ppl! :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Come on Pat! Your not Antonio Sabato!
I think he has a glorified image of himself. :rolleyes:
Trust me, he is not who the majority of women are dreaming of at night, unless they are in to manboobs!!!
Maybe he will promote a Parelli $200 man bra soon!

[STF]

@Beasmom;4002068

What a shame! Ranch broke horses don’t need Parelli! Those gals need to shut up and ride.

Your asking a Parellian to actually RIDE? :lol::lol::lol:
What level is that anyway?
:lol:

[JollyBadger]

I’ve just been lurking on this thread, but had to chime in and say how refreshing it is to see posts from people who haven’t had a drink of the Kool-Aid. I used to post on another forum where they weren’t just drinking the stuff. . .they were swimming in it. If you weren’t a Parelli person, you were one of the “unenlightened.” There was no possible way, in their minds, that a person could have a bond with their horse unless you owned a carrot stick and played the “seven games.”

Granted, the same forum was “owned” by another trainer who has her own line of tack, bits, training videos, etc. and didn’t even allow the names of other brands to be posted in discussions. There were many flavors of Kool-Aid on the menu there, that’s for sure.:winkgrin:

The followers I’ve talked to seem a lot like those parents who try to be their child’s best friend and believe that telling the child “no” or giving any kind of discipline will scar the child for life, wreck any self esteem, etc. They don’t really ask anything significant of their horses and never put their horses in situations where all that “training” might be put to the test. :no:

[mp]

[QUOTE=Beasmom;4002068]
What a shame! Ranch broke horses don’t need Parelli! Those gals need to shut up and ride.[/QUOTE]

Ain’t that the truth? They’re not cruel or abusive to their horses. And they’re not the worst riders I’ve even seen. But it’s no fun to watch them gallop around and do sliding stops with their butts banging on the horses’ backs and their elbows flapping in the breeze.

I think they know they’re missing something, hence the Parelli stuff. But since their horses don’t put them in the dirt on a regular basis and stop when they ask, I guess they don’t know what else to do.

[trafalgar]

Whew! This was more than I bargained for. Another question, because I really know nothing about this controversial issue. What do you all mean by the carrot stick? Is it a metaphor? Someone posted a videao early on in this thread of a woman dressage rider doing some fancy moves while dangling a carrot tied to a stick in front of the horse. She held the stick with one hand and the reins in the other. That was a spoof wasn’t it? I feel pretty stupid right now!

[Dapple_Dawn_Farm]

No, I’m pretty sure it is a stick with an actual carrot on the end…I’d do just about anything myself for a pizza stick

[ThreeFigs]

The carrot stick is a Parelli device with an orange colored handle and a length of laundry-line attached to it. You can’t do Parelli Natural-Horse-Man-Ship without it!

I have a student who plays around with her horse in just the way you describe – dangling a carrot on a stick in front of her horse as she rides. It’s hilarious.

I’ve got to find that video…

[jazzrider]

[QUOTE=JollyBadger;4002096]
I’ve just been lurking on this thread, but had to chime in and say how refreshing it is to see posts from people who haven’t had a drink of the Kool-Aid. I used to post on another forum where they weren’t just drinking the stuff. . .they were swimming in it. [/QUOTE]

You really just need to do a search on “Parelli” here on COTH. There is no koolaid here. Just a lot of red wine and some tequila! :winkgrin:

[monstrpony]

[QUOTE=slc2;4000600]
The only difference I see between Buck Brannaman and any of the other celebrity/cult trainers is that he’s better at making fun of all of them than they are at making fun of him.

He’s also taller.

Other than that, same.[/QUOTE]

Not to hijack or anything, but why does THIS not surprise me?? :rolleyes:

Carry on …

[egontoast]

Maybe he will promote a Parelli $200 man bra soon!

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I am tired from laughing…

[trafalgar]

The video of thr piaffe with the carrot and stick can be seen if you go to the thread LINDA PARELLI RIDING FOR WALTER ZETTI. Post#24 by Dancinglite2 has the link and you can click on it. Sorry I still am a little shaky on cut and paste.

[spotted_mustang]

[QUOTE=Nightlace;3999594]
As I said earlier, there are basically two camps regarding the Parellis and Natural Horsemanship: the “I hate Linda Parelli because…” camp versus the “there may be some value in Natural Horsemanship for some riders & for some horses” camp.
:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

there appears to be a third one: the “let’s kiss his feet and worship his toenail-clippings” camp.

[DressageGeek_Ribbon]

I like Pat Parelli. Why? because these threads offer me so much entertainment!!!

[ThreeFigs]

Thanks, Trafalgar – I found it! Great clip! There’s even screen credit for the carrot!

True, DGRH. What would we do without P & L P to make fun of?

[NoDQhere]

[QUOTE=hammondcrazy@yahoo.com;4001643]
HAHAHAHAHAHA That was funny. I don’t know, I never really watched them. I just hope that through all of this WAZ teaming up with them that Dressage will be much more popular. I lived in the midwest from southwest MO to Rapid City SD. Except for the little pockets of Dressage all you find is western. If the western people start trying “some Dressage” maybe a greater good will come out of it. There is a guy in Rapid City that was western then became a very prominent dressage trainer/rider. It can happen. So I am looking at the good of this. Although some of you are making my morning with your hilarious posts. Mike.[/QUOTE]

The problem with the “Pepperoni” style exposure to dressage is that they will turn more people off from it than on to it. They are just so…unpleasant.

[blackhorse6]

Sorry, didn’t get through all the thread…but just found out(I’m slow) that the parelli’s have a dressage saddle called the “fluidity”…hey, you can also jump in it:) Are they putting out dressage tack already? I am just amazed and somewhat amazed by the $$$ making machine… The saddle sells for something like $4700.00:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[harveyhorses]

Does that come with a horse??
This has kept me giggling all day.
Can’t stand the Parelli method, and they both seem so ‘horsier than thou’. From the one video I tried to watch.