sorry…wasnt saying correct to anathetic…that would be the WORST thing to do…its a product that stings and burns the flesh when hitting a pole
belambi - what are you talking about? It’s a PAIN KILLER. Did you read DMKs post?
OK, so IF someone used a hoof packing AFTER they arrived and discontinued it BEFORE the competition started, you think a life ban is the correct response?
Did you notice in the article that it is also described “Capsaicin is classified as a « doping » prohibited substance given its hypersensitizing properties”
errr…no…its a naturally found in chilly and peppers etc…and is not ONLY a painkiller.It is often used spread down the front of horses legs in dodgy places to make them snap them up when jumping.
It can also be used as a hyper-irritant. It’s the same stuff that’s in Pepper Spray.
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Ridgeback, your post is just wrong on so many levels it is almost humorous. Last time I laughed that hard it involved sammiches. And trust me, you really don’t have to lecture me on mod duties! :lol:[/QUOTE]
Trouble admitting you are wrong:lol::lol: Please explain to me what is wrong? Several lame dressage horses no dressage horses busted for dobing, showjumpers often busted for doping and many dressage horses could have used a little help since they were LAME…hmmm nope not wrong…
It is also on the forbidden list of the USEF! So the FEI is not being too strict.
The stuff is found in feed through supplements as well, Gold as Sun has paprika in it. Some folks feed just paprika but take the horses off of it 7-14 days prior to competition, because there is the chance they will test positive for capsaicin.
Thanks Ridgeback-I can’t make heads or tails of the results pages on NBC.
I can see someone using Capsaicin and then wetting it down or when the horses get sweaty it will sting (apparently on an infrequent application it causes stinging especially when wet)-and then doing a warm up jump, letting the horse hit it and then the horse will definitely pick up the legs. I’m sure there are grooms with the team horses around the clock so I’m not sure the sabotage theory would work, but if they wanted to sabotage a certain team I think they wouldn’t do individuals like Lynch (Ireland) who isn’t even on a team. And I think that if you wanted to sabotage someone on the German team you would probably go after one or both of the Beerbaum’s horses.
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of course not…they would have a vet note?.
I think we can safely work on the assumption that every knowledgeable horse person on the planet does not apply it to achieve that result. Option “b” is the safe bet here. :lol:
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Thanks Ridgeback-I can’t make heads or tails of the results pages on NBC.
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You are very welcome I love that site they give you scores right away…
More products with capsaicin in it, some of which a lot of us use commonly:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/produc...m?pcatid=16202
http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.h…2-00b0d0204ae5
http://www.jacksmfg.com/details.asp?product_id=2042
http://www.jacksmfg.com/details.asp?product_id=2043
http://www.smartpakequine.com/produc...ctClassid=1517
To give more benefit of the doubt, some of the labelling is confusing- if one was looking for “capsaicin” only on the label, they might not notice bigeloil has a derivative (which probably shows up in tests)
Vet notes are worth … what? Ask the Germans and their team vet about that 2004 team gold.
Cocaine, heroin and marijuana are all “natural”.
this is FOUR horse picked RANDOMLY… either all horses have been nobbled…or test is faulty…or all have used a product that they thought couldnt be tested for, …There is something very bizarre about this
You’re right - how foolish of me not to realize that despite rampant drug tests, it’s most logical to assume that 4 high level riders would apply a topical antibiotic, knowing it would probably test & then crashed their horses into warm up fences.
And since it would have to be applied right before jumping in order to be effective, we had best assume that they were liberally slathering their horses legs with the nefarious ointment in front of the FEI stewards.
Your scenario is so much more likely 
Capscain is transdermal. Basically you can have the substance in a liquid or cream or gel form on your hand, pat a horse anywhere on the body, substance would be left in hair / skin contact. As it is an irritant the capillaries would immediately respond with a rush of blood to the area, skin is permeable and substance would then be rapidly absorbed into the blood stream. Spray with the substance in would also have the same quick transdermal effect into the system. Voila.
I still cannot think how on earth 4 would be so stupid as to do this. And actually a skin scraping off the legs would definately confirm if it had been used as a sensitiser there.
It is found in dozens of over the counter at any health food shop muscle rubs - Tiger Balm, Chinese Green Oil, etc. Sprays - Deep Heat type. In is not a pain killer. It is an irritant and cause localised nerve stimulation as well as capillary response, giving the effect of pain killing. A pain killer is something completely different - an analgesic (NSAIDS / Paracetamol / Morphine, etc).
Yes, but damn near everyone uses Magic Cushion AT horse shows, so there is your conundrum.
I wouldn’t necessarily think there would be somebody on duty 24 hours a day, although between grooms, braiders, massage people, and the like, it would be tough to plan on a window of opportunity. Certainly at any normal show, the grooms get to go back to the hotel at some point to sleep, however briefly.
I will say if anybody was caught doing that to somebody else’s horse, I think they would get dragged out behind the barn and punished pretty thoroughly, long before the authorities got involved.
I would have to think sabotage is a less likely explanation than the traditional one.
