I am a total newbie to breeding horses. But, I wanted to add my two cents and I hope I don’t sound like too much of an idiot. My mare’s great grandsire is LadykillerXX and her grandsire is Landgraf1. She is the most talented amateur friendly horse I have ever met!! Most people who know her tell me she is a once in a life time kind of girl. She has the qualities that I have read Ladykiller passes on: a noble head, kind temperament and a wonderful jump. If I could clone her I would !! She also has Inschallah on her dam’s side. If her qualities were the result of Ladykiller’s genes I commend his introduction to the line.
Thanks for posting this thread.
Because of it I looked up Ladykiller’s pedigree, and now I know why I always like to find Vilna in the tail female line. She is his 3rd or 4th dam. 
Not only was she the dam of Vendace who was imported to the US and bred for steeplechasers, is Agnes FF, and is the 2nd dam of Mazarin, she’s Ladykiller’s damline also.
If you have a TB mare with Vilna and her daughters, you have got something very special.
Ladykiller is first of all known as one of the most influential TB stallions in German breeding of sporthorses ever. He is linebred on Chaucer and Phalaris. I’ve heard more than onces that he at times had a foul temper but as most of us out there I’ve never met him live. A friend of mine did have one of Ladykillers last offspring and tried to make that horse finish the 100 day test but I seriously don’t know the name of the horse and don’t know if he ever made it :no:
Paula, those pics are lovely! I especially like Liosto and the Vanity mare, their jumper looks super. Leading Edge looks like he would make a beautiful hunter, he’s gorgeous.:yes:
Thanks so much for posting those.
Don’t know of any ‘hot’ Ladykillers…
Probably my most favorite of his
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/robinhood
I’m surprised there are no pictures of him on there…And I don’t think MaSu Hamacher still has a website but he is still standing in Micanopy…
Rico 19’s dam was sired by Ladykiller as well, another favorite…
Linaro is another stallion that carries two close crosses to Ladykiller.
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Your mare is lovely!!! My mare has a similar look but her neck is not quite as lovely as yours. I need to figure out how to post pics…ARGHHHH!!
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I always heard this too–except that you don’t want to go through Landgraf more than once. So lots of Ladykiller = good, just don’t double (or triple!) up on Landgraf.
If you look at stallions who are double Ladykiller (or more), lots of them will have one line through Landgraf, one through Laertes, or Lord, etc. Or through a Ladykiller daughter, like Landkoenig has:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/landkoenig[/QUOTE]
Just out of curiosity, why would you not want more than one line of Landgraf in your pedigree?
Boleem’s great grandsire (dam’s side) is Ladykiller, as well. Great neck, tremendously uphill as well. Very forward-thinking horse, quick off the leg, but as sweet and willing as they come. A child could sleep in his stall.
Interestingly, at the 100DT in Holland he scored higher in jumping than on the flat, yet became a top dressage horse because of his buyer’s personal interest. Though Lucky Boy xx is his grandsire on his sire’s side, I think the influence of Ladykiller is very apparent in him.
I have heard that he was kind of a difficult horse, and his offspring were generally fine as long as they didn’t double up on him–then you might end up with a horse that wasn’t easy. I don’t know if they meant a horse that was a “professional’s ride”, a horse that just didn’t suffer fools gladly, a sensitive horse? I’ve heard it from multiple sources.
Also…I think he had some hind leg faults or something??
OK…i’m gonna go get my Holsteiner books…
Too lazy to type the whole thing, but in part it says “Slightly sickle hocked in youth (became very straight with age). Tied in below the hocks and faults in the hind fetlocks.” And then “Nearly always passes on his face, type, and also his hind leg faults.”
Only horse I can think of that is double Landgraf is Riverman.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/riverman2
Landkoenig has a LOVELY temperament! I had no choice but to kiss him on the nose when I met him. And then breed to him. And then make my friend breed to him, lol.
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I have heard that he was kind of a difficult horse, and his offspring were generally fine as long as they didn’t double up on him–then you might end up with a horse that wasn’t easy. I don’t know if they meant a horse that was a “professional’s ride”, a horse that just didn’t suffer fools gladly, a sensitive horse? I’ve heard it from multiple sources.
Also…I think he had some hind leg faults or something??
OK…i’m gonna go get my Holsteiner books…
Too lazy to type the whole thing, but in part it says “Slightly sickle hocked in youth (became very straight with age). Tied in below the hocks and faults in the hind fetlocks.” And then “Nearly always passes on his face, type, and also his hind leg faults.”
Only horse I can think of that is double Landgraf is Riverman.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/riverman2[/QUOTE]
Here’s another. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/lintas
Ive never heard that before! My gelding is has Ladykiller in his bloodlines but he is the sweetest horse Ive ever met. Interesting though.
That link is broken. Here is the current link to The Horse Magazine’s list of Great Stallions:
http://www.horsemagazine.com/thm/great-stallions/
Ladykiller is there on about page 12. There doesn’t seem to be a direct link to his profile, so one has to go through the whole alphabetical list to get to a particular stallion.
Two quotes in The Horse profile:
“He was an averaged sized, clearly masculine type with a beautiful head, really heavy neck, good shoulder, rather flat loin, and a nicely coupled, heavily muscled croup. He had first-rate legs and feet for a Thoroughbred and was an elastic mover. He was everything a state breeding program could wish for. With his 35 approved sons and 195 approved daughters, he has had the greatest impact of all on the Holsteiner breed. His best produce came through crosses with mares with some Thoroughbred blood. This was just the opposite case as with Anblick. When crossed with coarse, common mares, Ladykiller produced accordingly. Today I[/I] he must be viewed as one of the most important jumper sires of modern time. To enumerate all of his great performance offspring in the world of jumping goes beyond the limits of this essay. He sired fewer dressage horses. Whereas Marlon and Anblick influenced this Holsteiner modification phase more in the direction of riding horse types, Ladykiller offspring correspond more to performance, jumper types. As a rule, they are strong horses, they are not, at first, very tight with their front ends. This however, quickly improves with increasing maturity.”
and
“Passed on a good temperament, although sometimes a little hot. In spite of his early injuries he did not pass on any defects in the limbs. Produced numerous first class broodmares and licensed stallions, including the top progenitors, Landgraf I and Lord. Founded his own wide-branched stallion line. Ladykiller xx passed on specific characteristics, such as a fine head, an often light brown colour with white on the legs, sometimes less coupled loins, good, powerful and correct bones, very good jumping qualities (lots of guts, power, fine technique and rounded back over the fence), excellent basic gaits and on average, good sized products; his chestnuts were often a bit more noble than his bay offspring.”
The latter quote is from Jasper Nissen who was the Deputy Managing Director of the Holstein Verband at the time Ladykiller was brought to Holstein and actually went to England with the Director to evaluate him. I would guess that he is probably the father of the current Breeding Manager of the Holstein Verband, Dr. Thomas Nissen.
Probably broken since it’s been nine years 
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Ancient thread or not, @vineyridge that website is a wealth of information! I found it so interesting! Am going to look at some of the stallions in my mare’s lineage today. Thanks so much!
