What is the most comfortable trail saddle on the planet?

The point was that 500 miles in a saddle would be enough to sore the horse’s back, if it didn’t fit right or distribute pressure. Try going 500 miles in a bad fitting saddle and tell me how your horse does. :wink: I’ve seen horses sored terribly after 45 minutes in the arena in a bad fitting saddle!

500 miles isn’t thousands and thousands like many endurance people but it IS enough to sore the horse’s back. And it hasn’t, so I’m pretty happy.

No clue what bras have to do with this conversation? :uhoh:

There are sooooo many typpe of treeless saddles with a big variety of construction and design. I find that I can ride my BMSS with the cinch very loose on many horses, on others I have to snug it up a bit more. With another brand I would have to cinch tighter. also, so many of these saddle now have excellent foam panels built into the under sides of them, while older models didn’t. I don’t care for many of them because they have this wide flat seat that isn’t comfortable to ME. The BMSS doesn’t have a flat seat, the Sensation doesn’t either… Many people make the mistake of using thin saddle pads under them. Just don’t make the assumption that all treeless saddles are the same. I’ve certainly seen a whole lot of horses with sore backs from treed saddles and I know all of you have too. My goodness, I’ve seen bloody, raw backs and fistulous withers from treed saddles but I’m not going to condemn them all and say they don’t work. I’m tempted to of course, but I won’t.

Bonnie

I have a Big Horn flex tree saddle. It fits my horses great. It also has memory foam padding in the seat that is heaven!! I can ride 8+ hours and not have a single sore seat bone. It also has a narrower twist than the Tucker’s I tried. Which is alot more comfortable to me.

Exactly. I trim a horse with white scars the size of baseballs on his back from a poor fitting roping saddle. A good fitting saddle is important - whether it is treed or treeless - makes no difference - but it has to work for THAT horse.

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It’s just a comfort thing. Horses hate tight girths as much as I would assume wearing a tight bra would bug you.
I snug my girth down and then don’t touch it again and I know it loosens up alot while riding but the tree holds the saddle centered and I don’t need a tight girth.

Your right if you put 500 miles on a saddle and the horses back is fine it should continue to be fine.
Besides you weight nothing:lol: Try a heavy weight like me.

Lots of HWs ride endurance treeless Norval. The 3 people I’ve talked about here already, are all HWs.

I don’t girth my treeless any tighter than I would a treed. Yes, I’ve tried it but it makes no difference in anything. I use a Zilco breastplate but it’s not tight. The pad makes a huge difference because it is 2" thick and has a spine channel.

Don’t forget that withers and back conformation have as much to do with a saddle staying on a horse as anything. People on the yahoo group talk all the time about being able to mount from the ground in their treeless saddles, but they probably have shark finned horses instead of rolly polly tubs. Us lucky enough to own propane barrels with legs know the pain of finding a saddle that doesn’t roll. Even treed saddles will roll on a propane barrel. You have to have SOMETHING there for the tree to sit over, or it aint gonna do you any good. I don’t think there’s a saddle on the market that wouldn’t roll on my QH or my pony. The Ayrab is finally getting a nicer shaped back with the work she’s doing but she sure didn’t have it last year.

I have two ortho-flexes. One dressage and one patriot. I’ve put miles and miles of riding on them- and am completely comfortable in either. I don’t think I’ll ever own another brand of saddle :slight_smile:

Regarding “treeless,” don’t my my word (nor anyone else’s) for it. Get one and ride it for a couple of weeks. Then make a decision.

Another style that many find comfortable is the Buena Vista type. I’ve ridden them and find them very comfortable as trail saddles.

G.

Barefoot Treeless… close contact, but like a big fluffly cloud. Will not sore your horse if you are a balanced rider and use a proper pad. I ride in one, and sell tons of them.

I have been warned away from treeless as well - also warned away from flex trees since I am heavy. Are there any treeless saddles that let you “rent em” or something so you can try it for a few weeks to decide if they actually work well on your horse?

My saddle is a flex tree. And I am a heavy weight. My horse has yet to get sore. I check her back after every ride and a day or two after. Never been sore.:cool:
I believe it is all an individual thing. Each horse and rider is different. :yes:

ALL saddle trees flex, including those that are the basis of heavy-weight streer roping saddles. The steel arches of a British UP saddle will flex to a degree. Unless you make a saddle out concrete it’s gonna flex to a degree. This is a Good Thing as it helps effectively distribute the weight of the rider.

Saddle designers have been trying to build in “flexibility,” “automatic adjustments,” and other alternatives into a rigid tree since at least the mid-19th Century. No system has yet worked out fully.

Many saddle outlets will give a “trial” period. If you’re thinking about one of these “flexible” saddles then USE that trial period (I mean put some miles on it and CAREFULLY evaluate both the fit AND the effect on your horse’s back). If it works, God Bless Ya. IME it likely won’t and you’ll send it back. But it’s your horse, your butt, and your money. :wink:

G.

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I bought my Bob Marshall a few years ago from a dealer brand new. Rode it a few months, wasn’t working for my horse, and sold it on Ebay for $100 more than I paid. That’s a pretty good trial :slight_smile: BM’s have (or had, it’s been a few years) a high re-sale value as the demand was high and people would pay just as much for a used saddle since they wouldn’t have to wait a few months for a new one from a dealer.

You have to really look and read the fine print on treeless saddles if you are a heavy weight rider. When I was looking for a treeless most of the main brands mentioned above did not recommend their product for anyone over 200lbs. One came out and said that their product might break down under such use. Or they advised frequent stops and unsaddling to relieve the pressure. No, I’m not going to get into a dog fight on which saddle maker said what. All I’m saying is you have to read carefully what the makers say about their products and their recommended use.

For those of us who are green here- what is BMSS? Is BM Bob Marshall? If so what is the SS? Thanks

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“Bob Marshall Sports Saddle” is the full name of the Bob Marshall treeless saddles.

I actually really like my good old Circle Y Arabian saddle. The only thing I hope to do is change the stirrups. So far I have spent up to almost 3 hours in it and no soreness :slight_smile:

I love the Ortho-Flex saddle too. I have four of them.
My saddles were all made back-in-the-day when Len Brown owned the company. I dont know how the Ortho-Flex saddles of today compare.
You can find nice used Ortho-Flex saddles on ebay.
I have never had one sore a horse. …and that’s with switching the same saddle from horse to horse to horse.
My favorite model is the Stitchdown. It’s like riding in a Lazy Boy.
Flex panel saddles is where it’s at! :slight_smile:

I had a torsion ultralight once. This was after trying a Barefoot and thinking the thing was THE most uncomfortable saddle ever designed. Anyway, I loved the torsion. Every horse I rode in it for several hours per ride would turn up back-sore the next day- not during the ride, the next day(s).

I LOVE my Treeless saddle. I do a LOT of trail riding. I ride in a Barefoot Sierra w/a Skito w/dryback. I do NOT tighten the girth very tight. It is snug, but I can get several fingers between the horse and girth.

I do wear a breastcollar IF I am going to ride steeper hills. My horse is a more round body type. The saddle will slide back if the hill is steep enough, and no breastcollar.

It seems like many of the people that are responding have no idea on what they are talking about. Have any of the nay-sayers actually every tried a well made treeless saddle?? There are some cheap knock offs, but Barefoot, Torsion, Freeform, and Bob Marshall would be brands to demo.

I could ride ALL day in my saddle and be completely comfortable. Tack that fits you well makes a huge difference. Being close minded is silly.

TWO Cases in point - Last weekend, I went camping w/several people at a state park. A few of us had brought our horses. Several people had traveled much farther, and did not bring horses.

That morning, the ones will horses went on a great three hour ride. The terrain was gorgeous, and we kept a quick pace. It was a GREAT ride. I was completely fine when we got back to camp and I got off. NO pain at all.

After we got back, some of the non horse people decided to all go to Starved Rock rental horse ride. The horses were in very good shape. I have never said no to go riding, so I figured that I would let my horse relax, and go w/the people that didnt have or bring their horses. Most of the people who I had ridden w/earlier stayed at camp, so my horse was well looked after at camp.

It was a walk only ride. The saddles werent too comfortable, but not horrible. My stirrups felt ok, but for the last 30 minutes of this ride, my knee just started to KILL. I was sooo uncomfortable!

I thought it was funny. I did this fairly intense ride for THREE times as long as I was on this walk only ride, yet, I was almost in PAIN during the latter.

Next point - I ride w/an older lady, J that has an Abetta western saddle. She would never want to stay out trail riding for more than a hour. Once we went riding w/another lady, P. It was wonderful weather.

Like clockwork, after about a hour, this J wanted to head back to be dropped off at the barn. The P and I were going to go back out once we dropped J off.

On the way back to the barn, I started to ask J why she didnt ride more than a hour. Well. her knee and butt starts to hurt. I asked if she would try my spare saddle just to see if it made much of a difference. J was open to it.

I have a Barefoot Cheyenne that is my spare saddle. I took her saddle off, and put on the Cheyenne.

J is really short, so I had to take off the fenders, and put on leathers to get the stirrups short enough.

P and I were going to go back out, so we waited while J was just going to ride around the arena in the new set up before she left.

She found the Cheyenne soo comfortable, she went back out w/us. We rode another TWO hours.

J was just amazed. She thought she was just getting old enough that some pain during riding is normal. She was beaming the entire time.

Since then, she bought her own Barefoot Cheyenne saddle. I just went riding w/her on Tuesday. We rode for over 2 hours. She has NO pain while riding. She said that her knee had started to hurt when riding for as long as she can remember. She had NO idea that she could ride w/out pain. She blamed her age.

My point is that it is possible for most everyone to find some sort of combination of saddle and stirrups to be comfortable while riding.

Personally, I think that Barefoot saddles are the most comfortable saddles that I ridden. I have ridden in the London, Cheyenne, Arizona, and Sierra. I didnt care for the London since I found it super slippery. The Sierra is my favorite of any saddle I have ever tried. I did use the Cheyenne for two years as my main saddle. I missed having a horn is why I got the Sierra.

Several people borrow my Cheyenne saddle. It has a decent fan club. lol.

I am never close minded when it comes to horse tack. I find it just soo interesting how tack can really make such a huge difference while riding.

For now, my set up works perfectly for my horse and me.

I had moved to a bigger barn last fall. They have Chiros that come by every few months. I have had my horse for 6 yrs, and know the people who owned him before me, never had him checked by a Chiropractor.

I was more interested than anything. My horse just turned 13 yrs old.

A few months ago, I had the chiropractor check him out.

Again, he has been ridden w/Barefoot treeless saddles for several years. I haul him to State parks many times per month, plus my barn has lots of land to trail ride. He gets a lot of miles put on him.

The Chiropractor was surprised that his back was in as good as it was. He has one small spot by a rib that was out, but she got it back w/little effort. The Chriopractor was very, very happy w/the condition of my horses back.

For me, it is ALL about comfort while I ride. I can not have fun if I am hurting. I learned that well this weekend during the last half of our rental ride. My stirrups were just a touch too short, and it KILLED. I had to walk around for a few minutes after the ride before my knee stopped aching.

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