What the new USHJA Young jumper task force means for breeders?

[3Dogs]

[QUOTE=RyTimMick;6797127]
This is right on Barbara.

I think we need to differentiate between what is good for breeders, and what is good for our young stock. Although I think one benefits the other, the way you go about it is different.

Classes that are designed to help develope our young horse to become upper level jumpers are not classes designed for low level amateurs. I would also like to second what Kappler said about reducing the winnings so the classes don’t fill up with upper level professionals going for the money. A young horse ciruit designed to bring up our young horses/and future professionals properly. Judged events that have optimal times, but the fastest doesn’t win. I don’t think it should be year end awards, because that only rewards those who show the most. The award should be at the show you compete at. If you want to reward someone at the end of the year, reward the breeders who created them, and specifically those bred in America.

Tim[/QUOTE]

THIS ! and Barb’s comments

[showjumpers66]

Yes, sometimes the entire barn will move for a winter circuit. But, often the horses at WEF have a home away from home with turn-out and weeks off from showing.

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6798475]
Peeking in on this thread (I am more oriented to dressage breeding), but someone mentioned the large shows such as WEF, etc. And I am wondering - do h/j folks really send youngsters to these types of venues for the season? That seems awfully young - do you not worry about the youngsters getting mentally and physically burned out after spending months on end at such a venue? It seems to me that very few 4 year olds would be mature enough to deal with that kind of lifestyle.[/QUOTE]

[feather_river]

[QUOTE=DownYonder;6798475]
Peeking in on this thread (I am more oriented to dressage breeding), but someone mentioned the large shows such as WEF, etc. And I am wondering - do h/j folks really send youngsters to these types of venues for the season? That seems awfully young - do you not worry about the youngsters getting mentally and physically burned out after spending months on end at such a venue? It seems to me that very few 4 year olds would be mature enough to deal with that kind of lifestyle.[/QUOTE]
yes, they do send really young horses down there–but most are not shown extensively–just down there for the experience–and most are stabled off the show grounds so they can have turn out time, etc. They will get hauled over to WEF, maybe stay in a stall on the show grounds for a couple days, get hacked around the appropriate warm up schooling rings, etc. That is not to say that some owners/professionals don’t burn up/break down/fry the brains of some of the younger horses in their charge–particularly the ones who show a lot of talent at an early stage and are more ride-able. And this goes not just for 4-5 year olds but even 6-7-8 year olds/if they have talent, some do get their wheels run off of them. Greed/Ego/Whatever.:eek:

[feather_river]

the young horse classes are not set up to reward the breeders–nor are they designed to promote horses bred in N.A. They are open to imports as well as N.A. bred horses, professional ridden horses, amateur ridden horses, etc., and only are age restricted.

[showjumpers66]

At this stage, I think imports should still be eligible, but I think there should be additional awards/recognition for NA bred horses.

[HyperionStudLLC]

[QUOTE=feather river;6799820]
yes, they do send really young horses down there–but most are not shown extensively–just down there for the experience–and most are stabled off the show grounds so they can have turn out time, etc. They will get hauled over to WEF, maybe stay in a stall on the show grounds for a couple days, get hacked around the appropriate warm up schooling rings, etc. That is not to say that some owners/professionals don’t burn up/break down/fry the brains of some of the younger horses in their charge–particularly the ones who show a lot of talent at an early stage and are more ride-able. And this goes not just for 4-5 year olds but even 6-7-8 year olds/if they have talent, some do get their wheels run off of them. Greed/Ego/Whatever.:eek:[/QUOTE]

I think this is a good point. Many folks who have young horses don’t stable at the show. Especially since there is barely enough room at the show for the more experienced horses.

I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on WEF for example. It’s not something to aspire to for horses aged 4 & 5. The YJC 5 yr old classes are a bit screwy and many times unfair to the general population of 5 yr olds. This is mostly due, I feel, to the lack of options for horses as 4 yr olds. There is no sense in jumping at WEF with a 5 yr old unless they are ready, and even then, most of them aren’t because of the schedule and course design.

What I gather from many who have posted on this thread is that we need a more gentle, educated, and cost effective approach to rearing our young ones. We should aspire to have them reach their fullest potential, but the way it stands we have not yet been able to do that on a large scale.

So many things have to come together for things to change, so time will tell.

Everyone’s input has been wonderful and Thank you!

[feather_river]

[QUOTE=HyperionStudLLC;6799847]
I think this is a good point. Many folks who have young horses don’t stable at the show. Especially since there is barely enough room at the show for the more experienced horses.

I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on WEF for example. It’s not something to aspire to for horses aged 4 & 5. The YJC 5 yr old classes are a bit screwy and many times unfair to the general population of 5 yr olds. This is mostly due, I feel, to the lack of options for horses as 4 yr olds. There is no sense in jumping at WEF with a 5 yr old unless they are ready, and even then, most of them aren’t because of the schedule and course design.

What I gather from many who have posted on this thread is that we need a more gentle, educated, and cost effective approach to rearing our young ones. We should aspire to have them reach their fullest potential, but the way it stands we have not yet been able to do that on a large scale.

So many things have to come together for things to change, so time will tell.

Everyone’s input has been wonderful and Thank you![/QUOTE]

this is a very good summation. No one could have said it any better.

[YHS_Info]

The Young Horse Show Series and the YJC Development Program are the answer to most of your issues.
Come, watch and participate.
Everybody is welcome!
Shows start March 2nd and 5th in Wellington.
Full schedule to date is online at www.younghorseshow.com
We hope to see you there!

[HyperionStudLLC]

[QUOTE=YHS Info;6799926]
The Young Horse Show Series and the YJC Development Program are the answer to most of your issues.
Come, watch and participate.
Everybody is welcome!
Shows start March 2nd and 5th in Wellington.
Full schedule to date is online at www.younghorseshow.com
We hope to see you there![/QUOTE]

This program may not be the answer for all, but it’s a great way to start! There are opportunities with the YHS that allows young horses a great way to be introduced into sport.

The fundamentals are offered in a way that isn’t done at any typical horse show. Giving your young horse a leg up into the sport is the first step to giving them a chance at fulfilling their potential.

Cheers

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=feather river;6799820]
yes, they do send really young horses down there–but most are not shown extensively–just down there for the experience–and most are stabled off the show grounds so they can have turn out time, etc. They will get hauled over to WEF, maybe stay in a stall on the show grounds for a couple days, get hacked around the appropriate warm up schooling rings, etc. That is not to say that some owners/professionals don’t burn up/break down/fry the brains of some of the younger horses in their charge–particularly the ones who show a lot of talent at an early stage and are more ride-able. And this goes not just for 4-5 year olds but even 6-7-8 year olds/if they have talent, some do get their wheels run off of them. Greed/Ego/Whatever.:eek:[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the clarification. It is good to know that most folks that send youngsters off for the season keep them someplace where they can have some turnout time and let down mentally from the stress of being at the showgrounds.

[DownYonder]

[QUOTE=YHS Info;6799926]
The Young Horse Show Series and the YJC Development Program are the answer to most of your issues.
Come, watch and participate.
Everybody is welcome!
Shows start March 2nd and 5th in Wellington.
Full schedule to date is online at www.younghorseshow.com
We hope to see you there![/QUOTE]

I was wondering if the YHSS could help, but those shows aren’t USEF rated, are they? Are folks who bring along young jumpers concerned with that, or would it not matter if a show was recognized (i.e., governed by USEF regulations)?

[Sakura_Hill_Farm]

You are correct in stating that the YHSs are not USEF-rated and this is specifically to keep costs in check.
Word has it that there will be a year-end America-bred award given by the YHS Series.
We would love to have you all join us in March at the Ocala YHS with the new Young Jumper Devlopment classes. Come and watch, contribute your constructive comments and have an outing where you can see some top youngsters in a relaxed and educational (for equine and human) atmosphere!

[Horsezee]

[QUOTE=Darden19;6798373]
It says as of 2012, the format of the Young Jumper Suitability Championships are completely subjective, citing that the horses “will be judged on performance, soundness, ride ability, scope and general suitability and likelihood of becoming a Grand Prix prospect.”

I’m in complete agreement with those who pointed out the need for a scoring system in young horse classes. So a question to everyone here: How would you feel about an entirely subjective approach to the YJC classes?

And a question to the OP: Is this even a remote possibility?[/QUOTE]

The first two rounds are JUDGED. The results of the two JUDGED rounds determine the horses eligible for the THIRD round. The third round is TIMED and includes a jump off.

[knowthatifly]

It would be nice if the jumper suitability program at Sacramento International was expanded to Thermal andsay two or three other venues in California throughout the show year. That could be both educational for the young equines and good for breeders as well.

[3Dogs]

Such a great thread! And a start. But as I work in healthcare? Healthcare is highly ineffective if the only access is 100 to 2000 miles away and very expensive. That WEF brought up? European breeders don’t have to go to an extremely expensive show for development. They have one days, often just down the road. Not possible here perhaps but really? A young learning jumper needs to go to WEF? Don’t know much Monica about the developing jumper series but kudos you are trying to develop. Not sure USEF recognition is that essential. JMHO