When do you put your garden in?

Dear Hulk, thanks for starting this thread. I’m enjoying it immensely. At the other end of PA, zone 6b/7a like the other Mid-Atlantic posters. I grew up outside of Boston and have had to revise my ideas of what will grown based on very rich, but very heavy, soil here as well as serious humidity in the summer.

Last year I finally had a very short raised bed (I mean like 4" high) and finally got to grow the beets without the slugs killing them. They grew quite large - who knew how good they would be? I might start some now there with the info on winter planting on this thread.

Also love my pumpkins, for me they have been easy and their leaves shade the weeds (big plus)!. Last year the tomatoes were almost tasteless from all the rain, but I will try again and hope that this year is sunnier. My neighbor (she is a gardening machine) is the Queen of Tomatoes and shares her ‘extra’ with me. First time I tasted a Green Zebra and now I am hooked. However last year was a bust for her too.

I love the sunflowers. Am going to try to stagger them, every 3 weeks or so, as their blooms are only so long. I planted late last year, and they were among the late autumn blooms that the neighbor’s honeybees came to visit. Good times.

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Never part with them! Use the barrel rings to make garden spheres. Those things are super expensive if you want to buy them (my neighbor has a set) but you can make them for free when your whisky barrel gives up the ghost. Last year I only had two rings that I found on my husband’s scrap pile. But we finally gave up on a whole barrel so now I have several in various sizes to work with. Last year I just buried my two rings and then planted this fountain grass over it. But I need to take my ring collection to the garage and get a hole drilled in each so I can bolt them together.

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This is what can be done with a bunch of them

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One year I got mine put in March 15th. It was a gorgeous spring and I had all my landscape cleanup finished by April 1st. It was amazing! Despite being covered with a greenhouse panel to protect them from the few snows we got after, the potato plants froze back to the ground twice. But they didn’t seem to mind and I had a nice crop. The next year volunteers (I call them weed-potatoes) are always better and earlier than what you would plant yourself. I use them for new potatoes as I weed them out of whatever crop is planted over them while I wait for my main crop to be ready.

Of course the easiest way to grow potatoes is in large pots. When you want potatoes you just dump out a pot into a wheel barrow and sift through the soil. You don’t spear any with a fork and you get all of them. But you have to use a sizable tub and I’ve found out it needs to be a heavy dark color to block the sunlight or they will be bitter from solanine even if they aren’t actually green.

To every one posting in this thread…Thank you for your posts and knowledge. This is really great isn’t it. And here we are up to 4 pages of absolute positivity, friendship, knowledge, light hearted humor, and great conversation. I love it. You all rock!!!

SmartAlex …the garden spheres, can’t wait to show that to DH.
Alpha Mare, Obsidian Fire… welcome to the mad about gardening thread. Glad you joined the party.

If I missed anything or anybody, So sorry, One of my cats is sick and that makes for my head being up my butt with worry. He has an apt Saturday am, just called, but I will be keeping a close eye and if I panic he will go today as an emergency. I know I have lots of cats but still everyone is special, and loved and fret and stewed over. :concern:

Awwwwww… :o
Really I am just Lay-Zee & planting 3 things together & not having to weed much was brainless.
It was kind of purty with corn tasseling, bean vines twining up the stalks & the big squash leaves & fruit sprawled on the slope.
Apologies to your family :winkgrin:

I tried purposefully planting sunflowers - bought seeds of all sorts of sizes/colors/heights - planted them in composted manure all along the West side of my indoor…
And ZILCH!
I’m thinking birds and/or mice ate the seedlings?
Anyhow, it scarred me :frowning: & from now on they can plant themselves! Even if it means just the BOSS kind - they are nice & tall & sunflowery.

And again, apologies to your family:

https://104homestead.com/winter-sow/

Fingers crossed your ailing cat makes a full recovery from whatever!

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Kisses to your kitties - I have 4 and our barn has 5 - I love them all.

As for “mad about gardening” - bring it on… :smiley:
At one point in my ‘gardening career’ I had over 300 rose bushes (no, that is not a typo). I have since moved on to perennials & shrubs and small japanese maples…LOL… I haven’t met a plant I don’t like…
I have 6 blueberry bushes that supply all I want and then some, I have Seascape strawberry plants (yum) and last year I planted the gold raspberries, I hope they take off this year as last they sort of sulked. I want to plant blackcaps again, I remember those from childhood and I love them.
I am reclaiming some of my rose garden and have ordered I think 15 new bushes to arrive in March.

I have hummingbirds and others, I too keep volunteer sunflowers around I love the birds they bring in. I also plant with an eye towards the bees. Which reminds me, yesterday in the warmth, I saw a Mason bee out and about. :eek: A little early but… and a ladybug. Now that one, better stick around until aphid season begins!!

A shrub that really brings in the bees is Caryopteris. It will literally vibrate with bees. So will Eryngium (Sea Holly) - the bumblebees on that astound me.

Okay… before I get too far down the path…

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2Dogs… I am guessing the same, those seeds were eaten. who ever ate them was thinking…dang this person is so nice to provide all this food for us. :lol: I don’t blame you for not wanting to revisit that.

The family survived my hyper sonic explosion last night, good thing they are used to it. I didn’t mention you might have helped it along, so your in the clear. :encouragement:

The cat is still sick and I just had both DH and DD call me from work on lunch break, back to back to get a report on him. I don’t know if he has a cold or a UTI or ate the wrong thing. (sometimes he chews on hay chafe that falls off barn clothes in the back room.) But he just isn’t right and that has the whole family in a fluff. But thanks for your fingers crossed.!! It means a lot.

Obsidian fire… Now there you have me. can’t keep a rose alive to save my life. And blue berries have been a no go as well. I finally got some to think about doing it for me and… I kid you not DH ran over them with the lawn mower. Which was mind blowing because he never mows, that’s my job.:mad: I don’t know who was more angry about that misadventure my DD or I.

I am very allergic to bees. But I just love the dang things. I love to see all the bees buzzing around my plants. I spend hours in my tomatoes bees buzzing all over. Dosen’t matter how bad my allergy I am not giving up my friends the bees. And to be fair I never get stung by a bee. It is always a dang wasp or yellow jacket that gets me. And that is usually while painting the out buildings around here.

So if I was going to try again to venture into roses, what kind would you suggest as a starter rose for those of us that are rose growing inept?

Also thanks for your kind thoughts for poor kitty. Poor guy anyways.

Ok so my garage is pretty steady at 52 right now… too chilly for seeds and starts right?

Yes.

Do you have a heat mat? If you wanted to use your garage you would need a greenhouse you could close up with heat mats to keep things at the correct temp for germination.

@Hulk - here goes, LOL: Roses - since I don’t know much about your climate or soil, take this as ‘generic’ advice. First thing I’d do is make sure my planting area is well composted, drains decently, and the hole I dig is generous. Full sun is preferred. They like a soil Ph of around 6-6.5.

For a beginner I would probably suggest something in the ‘Knock Out’ line. They have a reputation for being solid performers. Take a look at Regan Nursery in California - website. They have a ton of roses. Just peruse them and get an idea of what you like.
I like roses by Kordes (they are a breeder/wholesaler) - they tend to be hardy and grow well.

Look for roses with the ‘AARS winner’ designation - All American Rose Selection trials are exactly that. They are growing trials where the roses are basically put in the ground and left alone. They are evaluated on their disease resistance, growth habit, etc.

I would, for the most part, stay away from own root roses unless you know for sure what you are doing! Landscape roses and shrub roses generally are own-root, and that’s fine they are usually that way, but hybrid teas? Not always a good bet. I went out of my way this winter to order from a nursery in Canada where I could get grafted roses on very hardy rootstock. In fact over the years I’d say my Canadian grown roses have been some of my best performers.

Cost-wise, well, you get what you pay for usually. I would go to a reputable nursery/garden center if I were you. I would look for roses that have a strong graft union, with decent size canes coming from it. I like to see my bareroots to have canes at least the size of my thumb. Now that said, your smaller floribunda’s or shrubs might not ever have stems like that, so buy the healthiest looking stock you can.

Floribunda’s are another class that generally perform well. They are usually a little smaller so fit into landscapes better.
Not all roses are fragrant, so if that matters…

A good site I found that is ‘member run’ is HelpMeFind.com - if you know the name of the rose, put it in and if it’s in there it will come up with all kinds of info on it - including pics by other gardeners. And comments on how it has grown for them.

As far as your soil goes, around here we have a ton of clay, and it can be thick enough to make a pot and fire it! Anyway compost compost compost if that’s your situation. All I have done to create good roses is amend my soil every year. In the beginning I tilled everything up/in, then in years going on, I would add 2-3 inches of compost, I also put down alfalfa pellets (roses love alfalfa), work it into the soil, plenty of water, and really that was all. Dead-head as needed. Prune in late winter/early spring.

Pruning is a whole 'nother subject. :wink:

Does this help? If COTH will let me I will post pics in another post.

I don’t read this thread for one day and it just explodes with more goodies. Love the old truck as a vegetable/flower stand. Barrel hoops as art!!!

We scatter wild bird seed and we’ve had corn and sunflowers grow from that at times. One year we had the oddest plant just spring forth. At first it looked like squash. The blooms were trump like and beautiful. It stunk! The blooms turned into a squash like pod. When that dried it was the darndest looking thing we’d ever seen. I took one of the pods to work for “show and tell.”
A friend lived next door to a botanist. (I love serendipity.) The report came back as Devil’s Claw. It mostly grows in the Sonoran Desert and SE. Indians have many uses for it. I called some official agency (totally forgetting) and she told me that they’ve never had one at our elevation and she was making note. I have to think we have a bird to thank. It never grew back and that is ok because when I say it stunk - it stunk!

I’m on the hunt for a few roses. A couple of them are just dwindling. Those will be moved to an ER zone yet TBD.
I want to find a Jacob’s Ladder (Jacob’s Coat) for a few spots along fences. We prune in March. We still might get snow but the hard freeze is over by then. So far, so good. A friend told me about alfalfa pellets. I am going to do that this year. There’s around 30 roses in various beds.

We’re on a slope. The house is at the top and it slopes down to the barn. We put in a few sets of winding stairs made out of mortar with embedded rocks. We have rock terraces of garden beds interspersed around the stairs. Sorry, I’ve yet to learn how to load pictures. This thread is incentive to learn.

It’s raining today. Snow dropped down to just behind us and may come lower. The high today will be 37 and down into the 20s tonight. Rain projected for the whole week. We need it. I’m loving all your posts on this rainy day.

Nope, is that the same as a heating pad?

No. It’s specifically designed for starting seeds. It stays at a consistent temperature. They are easy enough to find at a farm store or most places that carry garden supplies.

Obsidian Fire …thank for the info on roses. I think I will start out with a knock out variety. also thank you for posting pics. Love!! :love-struck:

@TheJenners - here is a seedling mat: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Viagrow-20-5-in-x-8-5-in-Seed-Propagating-Seedling-Heat-Mat-VSEEDMAT/202985174

This might be a good ‘bundle’ to buy: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Viagrow-50-Site-Pro-Plugs-with-Tray-Insert-Tall-Dome-and-Heat-Mat-VRRTKIT/204764791?MERCH=REC--PIPHorizontal2_rr--202985174--204764791--N

I think it would work well if you don’t have any kind of greenhouse. In fact I think it would work well for my plans and keep my cats off my warm seedling trays!! :lol:

This is the greenhouse I have, you can usually find them on sale for about $20 - https://www.homedepot.com/p/Pure-Garden-27-5-in-x-19-in-x-63-in-4-Tier-Greenhouse-M150077/301333021

I’m in New England, central MA. Zone 5b? It’s become harder and harder to predict the weather around here. Last winter February was so mild I thought about putting some peas in my herb garden. Then we got slammed with snow and cold in March, and it lasted into April. We’ve had very little real cold or snow yet, so I’m petrified the same thing will happen this year.

This is the first year since we’ve lived here that we haven’t had horses at home. My old guy passed in November and my remaining horse moved to a boarding barn. Our vegetable garden is in a corner of the paddock, so this year we won’t have to worry about getting it fenced off before we start anything. I can try to get it rototilled early and start some cold weather things and get it fenced more fully later if we want. Of course, we’re also hoping to buy our own place soon and move, so who knows.

My soil is so compacted from the horses being on it in the winter, and so clay-based to begin with, that getting anything that grows underground to grow is a challenge. We’ve been doing potatoes in bags for years and carrots in pots. The pepper really hate the compact soil as well, so we did peppers in pots last year and that was a success. I’m hoping now that the horses are off it, the freezing/warmer cycle over the winter and spring will help to loosen up the soil a bit. Every year my dad rototills with the tractor and says, “boy, never heard it make that sound before.” We managed to grow some great looking turnips last year, to our surprise, and the squash and tomatoes seem to love it.

I’m interested in hearing about everyone’s weed control strategy. My husband and I are not terribly tolerant of the summer heat so the last few years we’ve used black plastic with soaker hoses underneath. Honestly sometimes I wonder if we are even coming out ahead between the cost of the seeds and supplies.

Conservatory is definitely on my wish list when we buy a house.

@Ruth0552 - can you elaborate on growing potatoes in sacks? I tried that one year and it was an abject failure. :no:
What kind of sack did you use, and how much soil did you start with, how did you ‘hill’ them, etc.?

As for weed control… well… I use Preen. You could also put down flakes of straw in between your rows of plants, or even put down sawdust or bark. Then at years end or next spring, till it in and put fresh down.

But honestly in the heat of the summer… I don’t always keep up very well either.

Has anyone grown ‘specialty’ type veggies - like white cucumbers or the Mexican Sour Gherkins? Or newer varieties of winter squash such as Honey Bear and Butterkin?

How did they work out?

I ordered some seeds but obviously it will be awhile before I know how they turn out!

OK so where do you suggest I order seeds, @Obsidian Fire ?? I have a cleared spot in the garage now :yes: Also, I see some “cool weather” stuff can actually be planted out now? Or inside and moved out?