When is enough enough? Lameness

Can you post some pics of the hind feet, taken at ground level? It sounds like the feet have been considered as a possible issue (trying multiple shoes, coffin joint injections). I know you’ve been working with your farrier and vet, but many of us have learnt that this can be rather hit or miss. There are a lot of forum members with a very good eye for hoof related issues, and there’s nothing to lose by getting some more feedback. Posting a couple of videos of the horse on the lunge would be worthwhile too - again, there are some posters with a really good eye for picking up where the soreness is coming from.

I definitely wouldn’t be injecting multiple joints unless you have a real diagnosis, and it doesn’t sound like you have that yet. As long as the horse is comfortable enough and not in real pain, I would be much more inclined to turn the horse out for a good long rest while you work out what to do next.

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I very much agree with going to an equine sportsmedicine specialist,if at all possible.

I do not recommend veterinary schools, except perhaps New Bolton and perhaps one of the western schools

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First of all, I am so sorry you are going through this! I certainly can empathize with you and know how heartbreaking your situation can be. I also recommend trying an equine lameness specialist to really narrow down the diagnosis and a good chiropractor may be something to try as well. I’d prefer a vet with chiropractic experience for a horse with lameness issues…just for ease of mind.

My riding horse, who is also my first horse, has also been retired at a young age (14). I have a younger horse, but he is not old enough to start under saddle yet and I honestly still feel I will never have the same bond with another horse. It can be really tough sometimes. My 14 year old was having on/off lameness issues for about 2 years and no local vet could give me a straightforward diagnosis. It was always hooves, abcess, maybe the hocks (although they flexed fine), or we don’t know. So, I finally decided to pay for a lameness specialist to come down and although the news was not great, I am so glad I finally had a true diagnosis that I could work with and make peace with. It was 100% worth having a specialist down and I would have saved a lot more time and money if I had done so in the first place. My horse was diagnosed with something called DSLD (degenerative suspensory ligament desmitis or ESPA). It can be very hard to diagnose within the earlier stages and is a whole body disorder, but the telltale sign is usually hind suspensory ligament damage which eventually covers the entire ligament. It is something I would potentially look into with your horse or just ligament issues, since hind end issues often occur with hind ligament issues. My horse started to present a funky canter early on and would go in/out of it consistently. It can begin to look like hock issues early on and hock injections may make it subside temporarily because the injection can ‘leak’ down to the suspensory ligament. From what I’ve heard from others, It can present itself differently in every horse. The specialist diagnosed it via ultrasounds on both hinds.

I do know someone else who was working with the same specialist trying to narrow down the issues in her own riding horse…Issues that have been present for years: lots of arthritis. She had tried everything including injections, shockwave, PRP and I’m sure some other things too. The lameness would subside for a few months and then come back everytime. She sunk a lot of money trying to get this horse sound… over $10,000. That was 2 years ago and the horse still isn’t sound, but happy to do lower level work. I think sometimes if we have the best vet on the job and still can’t fix the issue then we need to face the reality and accommodate.

At one point, I was considering vet school and shadowed with several vets, including small animal clinics. A few vets on staff had solely started out with horses/agriculture and then decided to go the small animal route due to a few reasons- often money and safety, but other reasons as well. One vet in particular was quite open to me as to why she decided to move away from horses. She told me blatantly that she didn’t agree with the common route of treatment for lameness in horses, particularly injections. Now, here is the thing; Injections are temporary and often are a ‘masking’ treatment. They are a very useful ‘tool’ no doubt, but that particular vet had seen so many people use them and then continue to work the horse as if the horse had no issues at all. In reality, the issues are still there and she just didn’t agree with that philosophy. Now, I personally don’t think injections are a bad thing to help keep a horse comfortable, but I can see her point of view as a vet. So many seem to associate injections as a ‘treatment’, in the way they ride the horse, and not necessarily as just maintenance. Most horses like the work and it can be good for them, but once the horse has a chronic issue such as arthritis, it is there to stay. That to me, means I may keep riding, but for maintenance and not competitively anymore, as that could exacerbate the issue further.

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I’m so sorry. This is an awful forest to walk thru and the horse isn’t talking.

What I do before I give up is “tincture of time”. I would find a serious turn out situation and put her there for a full year. By “serious turn out” I mean at least 10 acres (shared is OK, but not cross fenced). Give her room where she has to walk. Water at one end, hay at the other is a good idea. Then forget about her for a year, and ride another horse (schoolie, leased horse, borrowed horse, whatever.)

At the end of a year, if she’s still lame, retirement or euthanasia are choices, and your emotions will be in better shape to make the decision. If she’s not still lame, you will then take at least 6 months to leg her up slowly and then reevaluate.

I love my vets, and I support good vet work, but I have to say, after spending thousands of dollars on two different horses with two different problems, tincture of time was the best approach for me. You can pour $20K into vetwork for a horse and still not really have an answer, and most of us don’t have $20K worth of horse to start with. My very best wishes to you.

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Hi, can you share why? It is general practice around here to haul to Texas A&M for lamness workups, etc.

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OP. I’m so sorry you’re going through this. It sucks!

It sounds like you did a bunch of diagnostics and injected some things, but what has the horse been diagnosed with? In what joints/areas? At what times?

This may be a horse with a bunch arthritis that would benefit from Adequan and Legend. Or maybe you’re getting front foot pain and hock pain as a result of some other underlying cause that you haven’t found yet - like bad hoof angles or neck/back issues - and you’re just going to keep chasing things like whack-a-mole until you deal with the underlying problem.

I’d get copies of all of your x-rays and ultrasounds, and get referred to the best sports medicine vet in your area - whether at a vet school or private clinic.

If you hit a wall, in finances or diagnostics, it’s ok to put the horse out 24/7 for a while while you regroup (assuming he’s not in pain and there isn’t an unstable injury like a fracture).

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I’m so sorry OP for what you’re going through. My experience is quite similar to yours with subtle differences: I bought a young horse thinking it would be “safe”, and here we are spending thousands on diagnostics and still don’t know what the problem or mystery lameness is.

Have you ever considered (or has your vet ever recommended) nuclear scintigraphy (essentially, a full body bone/soft tissue scan of your horse)? Not sure if any other posters have mentioned this, so my apologies if it has already been stated. Many people have had good experiences with the procedure. It’s quite pricey, and we will actually be going through it next week. It may lead you in the right direction of what is truly bothering your horse. Sometimes, radiographs and ultrasounds don’t tell you the full story, especially if the problem isn’t exactly where you’re performing diagnostics.

Crossing my fingers for you, OP. I’m feeling your pain!

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