When looking for a low-level dressage horse...

Would love to hear comments from those with experience in the sport, and with selecting horses in general. I am an adult re-rider, have always ridden huntseat just due to what was around in the area, but have not ridden very consistently. Now I am starting dressage lessons with a highly recommended instructor that actually has a couple lesson horses, and will soon afterward be looking for a good horse to learn with. We have already made two big novice mistakes buying horses that were not suitable for us, and I do not wish to repeat that experience again! Of course, I will have a trainer come with to help once we start looking, but would love to hear your suggestions.

There are two constraints - one is that I do not have enough money for a double digit thousand dollar horse. Most likely, I would be looking in the $5-8k range. I see a lot of TBs in that price range, but am not sure a TB would be the right choice due to the other constraint - I am a somewhat tense rider right now after a lousy fall a couple years ago. I’m sure the lessons will help, but I do not need or want a horse that is untrained, jiggy, fast, or spooky. I don’t care so much what breed it is, as long as it is decent in its conformation and has the right temperament.

So what sort of advice would you offer in regards to selecting a horse to do lower level dressage for a novice? Where would you look, what is very important about the horse, should it already have some dressage training, etc.? I do wish to compete, if only at the local level, and am very excited about finally pursuing the sport! There is only so much fulfillment you can get from reading dressage books and magazines… :slight_smile:

Julie in VA

I suggest looking for temperament and movement over dressage training (obviously needs basic W/T/C), and for a horse who has done more than ride in an arena, whether it’s trails or hunter shows or whatever – just so they’ve already had some experience away from home.

And by movement I don’t mean the extravagant gaits seen in high-dollar horses, but just rhythmic, relaxed and pure. That, plus a forgiving, happy temperament will get you far in lower levels. And you’ll have fun as well!

Where to look? Everywhere! And make sure your trainer understands what you want. Don’t let them talk you into a horse that you are not comfortable with!

I’m not a pro, but an adult re-rider who did just this a few years ago and I’m having a blast with my appendix QH.

you basically are looking for a bomb proof horse, there are some TBs who fit the bill.

You describe yourself as “tense,” but what are your hands doing: are you constantly tugging/yanking on the bit and without an independant seat? If this is the case a TB may not be the horse for you.

Try to get a lease situation before you buy: the horse must like endless flatwork, and horses have their people too. So you want a horse that likes his/her job and one that is able to bond with you well enough to pack you happily. A resentful horse, resentful for either reason, isn’t going to work out.

Best of luck!

Well, I don’t have tons of experience in dressage, but I’ve been in horses a pretty long time and have helped pick out quite a few for amateur riders.

I think one of the most important things across disciplines is to absolutely NOT overmount yourself during this learning period. Your trainer should be able to help you make sure you’re getting something you can handle. At this point in your career, I would say an older horse would definitely be a good choice. If you can find an old campaigner, you’ll have a much easier time teaching yourself rather than constantly having to have your trainer fix things you’ve taught him.

To find something less expensive, you usually have to go young and untrained or older and a little past his prime. As a “re-rider”, I would say absolutely go with the latter choice. An older horse that maybe sometimes needs a few minutes to work out some stiffness will serve you much better than a young one that needs a few minutes to work out the bucks… Haha. You can get a younger prospect after you’ve had a few years in the ring.

You can really find some gems at smaller shows or even in advanced lesson programs. It sounds like you have enough money to get something in this price range. When buying an older horse, you obviously want to make sure he doesn’t have any extreme lameness or any conformation faults that often create unsoundness in the later years. A thorough vet check is almost always worth the money.

You obviously will probably not make money on this type of horse, but you may not lose any money either. Horses that will carry somebody and willingly teach them the ropes are always in demand (I had a lot of these growing up, and we almost always got a little bit more than we paid for them when I moved up a level). I think learning the intricacies of dressage is made much easier if you have a horse that already knows a lot of the moves. I think even if you have a lot of riding experience in different disciplines, this is still an important point.

So basically, try to find something that looks relatively steady and forgiving. Older is probably better, and look to quieter attitudes. Sometimes smaller or less flashy horses will save you some $$, and at this point, who cares? A sweet disposition is a lot more appealing than nasty 18 hander, haha.

Again, I’d say smaller shows are a good place to keep an eye out. And also ask your trainer to ask around. A good advanced (you don’t usually want a lower level lesson horse, they can get a good bit of wear and tear and jerking around) lesson horse can be an absolute gem.

I speak from experience, as growing up, we had very little money. My grandma was a horse trainer though, so we took the less flashy horses and made them winners. You really don’t need to spend a lot of money, just a willingness to spend a lot of hours in the saddle. My current prospect is literally a backyard wonder. I got him for under $1K, no papers, he’s an appy, and he can MOVE! He’s little and and a bit green, but he’s just been great.

Good luck! Maybe some people in your area can be more specific on where to look = )

And I second the leasing option. That’s always a great way to make sure you aren’t making a big mistake, haha.

Also, I definitely agree to look for a horse with comfy gaits. It will make your learning process much easier.

As far as breeds go, I really think you can find the right fit with many breeds. Individuals vary so much. I’ve met crazy quarterhorses and absolutely dead bombproof saddlbreds and arabians. So it really just depends.

As far as level of training, he obviously doesn’t need to know how to piaffe and half pass all day. But finding one that is flexible and happy to be constantly working on perfecting the details, is a big plus. Also, if he already knows how to leg yield, shoulder in, bend on a nice circle, transition correctly, then you don’t have to teach him, and he can teach you.

Sorry for the double post. I get a little too chatty!

I think it would be foolish to not look at TB’s. I have had lots of them who were forgiving and as bombproof as a horse could be. Athletic and balanced, too. Breed really doesn’t mean that much - my QH is hot and reactive, although not spooky per say. He’s also a big, elastic mover in all three gaits and forward.

When I look for an ammy horse I really look for the ones who are naturally balanced and like to be that way. I like them to not be hard to get on the aids. That way the ammy works on better connection, more impulsion, etc. etc. rather than indefinately blundering their way thru even establishing those basic things. No dangerous stunts - although I do refuse to look for “a horse who won’t spook” for an adult ammy. All horses can/will/do spook. It’s what they do with it, and afterwards, that counts.

I concur with the older horse option. And yes, leasing is a great way to go. I was very much in the same position as you, and I decided to lease my trainer’s horse. She’s older, but full of energy. You’d never guess her age! She’s evented through training level, and dressage through third level. I’m eventing maiden and hopefully moving up to training this year. It is absolutely the best arrangement; she knows more than I do, she’s steady, and she still enjoys the work, although to her it’s not really work, it’s fun. You should see her when we move to the jump field. Ears up, she gets a little more perky… I just love her. I did my first horse trial last year on her, and we both had a blast!
I have confidence issues and I can’t begin to tell you how much fun it is to ride a horse you don’t have to worry about as much. NO horse is bombproof, but some are just more… chill. And I need that, to concentrate on what I need to learn.
You would be hard pressed to find a horse like that to buy, so if you get a chance to lease, take it. You may find yourself with access to a fabulous mount. But I know a lease horse is hard to find, so definitely look for an older horse to buy. So many people would love for their horses to have a great home, and be appreciated.

I agree with the leasing and I do think thoroughbreds deserve consideration. I got my Big Horse initially through a lease then purchased him. And yes, he is an OTTB. He is older and well trained. Just quirky enough to continue to be a challenge but delightful in his personality and desire to please. I had a pretty bad accident several years ago and wanted a more steady Eddie type of horse. Big Horse fits the bill.

As others have stated, temperment is what you need to look at. I can so relate to your position having been an adult re-rider. I started with an OTTB who was perfect and we had alot of fun learning dressage and showing. After his injury I moved to a WB (SF) and lost all confidence as he liked to toss me to the ground as often as possible. That is when I found the Irish sport horse. They tend to be very athletic with wonderful minds. Good luck in your search

I think ammy friendly horses are worth some $$.

Low budget horses are less for a reason.

Your price range is fine. Where you should sacrifice is in talent - that is, be happy with a horse that is able to do First Level, and probably won’t win in fancy company. That’s OK. You can set your goals at getting scores above a certain percent, and at your own progress.

TBs can be fine - don’t count them out. Also, don’t worry about height. Horses in the 15 h range or even a bit smaller may be more affordable.

A horse that already has dressage training is preferable, just because that kind of horse will give you better teaching. It’s not required, though, for what you need.

Look for a horse that has an amateur or junior rider now, rather than one coming from a pro. Those horses are generally more forgiving.

Older is fine too. Just do a vet check and know what kind of maintenance the horse needs, and be sure to budget for it. Those horses are often gems, and IME often end up staying sounder than the young horses after all the worries.

For someone like you, I would not buy a horse less than 10 years old. Sometimes people have young horses that are quiet, and they get sold to people in your circumstance, but the younger horses don’t generally have the confidence and background to deal with a lot of rider mistakes or anxiety well.

As a fellow nervous older Nelly, I’ll second everybody saying temperament is No. 1. After that, balanced moderate gaits will help you learn: a horse that has some self carriage but won’t post you out of the saddle.

Then, if I had to choose size, I’d look for a smaller horse - meaning both height and scale. A shorter, more compact horse is likely going to be easier for you than a tall, lanky one.

But, No. 1 is a kind forgiving nature! So if you find that in a 17hh TB, go for it.

Let an older horse teach you

I would highly recommend an older horse. My husband became interested in riding at the ripe old age of 58. I put him in lessons with a competent instructor with good lesson horses for beginners. He actually did this for several years before he started making noises about his own horse.

We acquired a 21yo schoolmaster for him over a year ago. The horse was free. Now, I didn’t go into this with my eyes closed. I had known and ridden the horse off and on for a year. I knew he had a little arthritis but he was basically very sound for his age with good gaits, appropriate size for my husband, and a very forgiving, steady temperament. He had a four beat canter and a hollow back but would stay in whatever gait he was asked for and go around like a trooper. I felt I could correct those things and was actually able to do so in short order. It was the best thing we ever did. My husband is having a blast, can go on trail rides, safely ride by himself or in a lesson and the horse will be retired to our place when he finally gets too old, which I think might be a while.

Because I knew the horse we did not even vet him. I knew he would have old age related problems and figured if we got a good year out of him it would be worth any vet bills. However, a year later he is going strong with no soundness related vet bills. I keep him tuned up for my husband and have actually continued his training. His flying changes can be a little sticky one direction because of some arthritis but what the heck, they are great going the other way and my husband will be able to learn how to do them when he is ready. I am schooling the horse in canter half pass, a little piaffe, and am taking lessons from my FEI trainer on him myself. He could be shown a respectable third level at AA. You couldn’t ask for more.

So look around and don’t write off the older horse. If it is the right horse they can be worth their weight in gold even if you only get a few years out of them. They will teach you a lot and let you have a feeling of security as you learn.

Speaking from experience it is a very, very rare case where a green rider should ever buy a green horse. You will be very sorry in the long run and it will hold your riding and learning back. It is almost impossible for a green rider to learn what straightness in the horse and themselves is, how to use their seat instead of their hands, and the feel of riding back to front on a green horse. The green horse doesn’t know any of these things so how can you teach them if you don’t know when they are correct yourself. Let the schoolmaster teach you and then your next horse can be younger if you want. Good luck with your search.

Look at the horse, not the breed.
There are some great TB’s out there, with great movement and great temperament. However if you are just starting this game I would look for a horse with a little education. Of course you will pay a little more for a horse that is confirmed 2nd level, but what a time saver to ride a horse that when ridden correctly will give you correct answers.

I say 2nd because most people don’t aspire to more than that for the first year or two, they are too busy beating their bodies into submission when coping with lateral work. :slight_smile:
Be patient, it is more and more a buyers market. :wink:

I’d agree with most of what has already been said - don’t look for a certain BREED, look for a horse with a quiet and forgiving personality. Some Thoroughbreds are easy, quiet, gentle horses. Look for a horse that has lots of “miles” on them - has been there, done that. Look for a horse with three decent gaits - walk, trot, canter. If possible, try the horse in more than one situation - ask to take a ride at a strange facility (or as many suggested, ask about a 30 or 60 day lease to make sure you and horse are suited for each other).

There are many nice breeds that can do dressage - Tbreds, Morgans, Paints, WB crosses, etc, and in this market, $8k will buy you quite a bit of decent horse!

It’s very politically correct these days (especially here) to say that Thoroughbreds are NOT nervous and that they are NOT difficult for beginners or tense riders and that there is a big variety in temperaments in them and blah blah blah. Too bad the good old days when you could be honest seem to have vanished.

Thoroughbreds were developed to be race horses. They have chiefly been used for fox hunting in fast country, racing and similar speed events. To have a lot of energy, to respond very quickly to their rider, and to want to run. Some of them are more lethargic, but by and large, yes, they are more active and quicker, and back in the day, one did not make blanket statements to beginners encouraging them to get a Thoroughbred. In fact, back in the day, we were told NOT to buy thoroughbreds for beginner or shy riders.

We had a barn full of warmbloods and one thoroughbred. He used to run around the pasture, and all the warmbloods would stand there and stare at him and then stare at each other, as if to say, ‘What is WRONG with that boy?’ Though nowadays, warmbloods of the ‘modern’ type also tend to be quite active and sensitive.

These days, quite a few Quarter Horse lines also contain a lot of Thoroughbred blood and quite a few of them ARE ‘hot and temperamental’.

I don’t really feel that draft-thoroughbred crosses or warmbloods always make the best beginner or ‘confidence builder’ horses either. The animals chosen for sire and dam of draft-thb crosses often are lacking in quality, and warmbloods can be very active and very strong in the bridle.

Heavier, drafty horses aren’t always that ‘quiet’. Some of them can be awful strong, even bullies. I’ve seen less strong, courageous riders have awful problems trying to break and train or bring along their own draft cross; I think many people bought them thinking they would be easier.

I don’t think there’s any breed that reliably, can be guaranteed to have the traits you want. There are some possibilities - quarter horse crosses, part draft horses (1/4 draft crosses are often nice).

You have 5-8000 dollars? First of all, if you feel shy or timid, there are VERY VERY FEW horses of ANY breed that will give you good results if you try to buy them young and train them yourself. The fundamental problem is the tension is a big problem when working with youngsters, and that means nearly any horse is going to sense that and be naughty sometimes.

DON’T get a green horse. NO MATTER WHAT. The horse that has ‘been there, done that’ is often the best choice. The one that’s been ridden down the trail, down the side of the road, and at the local bustling riding club shows might be a lot calmer and more reliable.

http://www.dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1267394&share_this=Y

This is not a recommendation for the above horse, I’ve never seen this horse except in the ad. But by keying your criteria in (age 8 minimum price 8000 max, gelding, no size requirement, no location requirement) i got 63 horses, and of these, there were a couple shown under saddle and doing some sort of dressage.

Not that I’m suggesting that web sites are a good way to buy horses. The BEST horse is one you see frequently behaving quietly in many different situations. That you know is sound because you see him coming out of the barn to be ridden day after day, that your instructor knows and recommends.

I think if you just get out there and look around you’ll find a good match.

Really consider the older horse with a long history of being shown at local shows like the ones you like to show in.

Don’t automatically write off TB’s!
Almost every one of my trainer’s school horses are TB’s and they are the quietest, most sensible, and kindest horses I have ever come across.

I have a TB and he is super quiet, willing, sweet, and happy. I’ve had quite a few people comment that they would have never guessed that he was indeed a thoroughbred based on temperament let alone movement and build. They tend to be catagorized as flighty, nutty horses- many are not this way at all.

Keep all your options open :slight_smile:

Haha, funny about the being PC about TBs on this board. To be fair, I can kind of understand how TB people feel coming from a saddlebred background. I find myself constantly telling people they’re not ALL hot and crazy. I actually find them to be one of the most trainable breeds. But I can’t say I’d generally recommend them to a novice that does not have the horse in training. They’re often just a smidge too sensitive for a newer rider.

I feel like it’s the same with TBs. I’ve known many individuals that are even like “pack” horses. We had a big sweet guy that used to carry anyone over pretty much any course in perfect hunter style, but I really can’t say he’s a typical thoroughbred.

I mean, breeds do tend to get a stereotype for a reason. That being said, breed certainly should not be your number one criterion. If you have a breed you’ve worked well with in the past, then it’s a good starting point for sure. But again, the individuals of each breed often vary, so don’t write ANY breed off or think any breed will be the key to your perfect horse. (But maybe be just a little wary of the hotter breeds, haha. It’s just sensible.)

I have to put my 2cents in for an older horse. I an now the proud owner of a middle aged mare and I spook more than she does! I love her temperament and will never go back to having a young horse again. I just don’t have the temperament for it myself. My mare is a QH and I think many many many of them are right in your town for sale everywhere. They will be suitable for any level you will get to any time soon for a song right now. Just take your trainer and be honest about what you really need. Steady and fun not fabulous and flashy! Don’t over look cheaper horses that may be a back yard trail mount in their current home, there is not necessarily something wrong with them b/c they are less expensive. Many people think 1K is a lot for a horse…these people can be your friend…:cool:
PS I have to agree with everyone about the breed…don’t even pay attention to that…there is a sweety in every breed…but I have noticed a preponderance of QH sweeties…:smiley:

Don’t even look at breed. Go to some shows (about the level you aspire to right now) and you can probably locate about 10 horses to go have a look at. Agree, focus on ones currently ridden by Adult Amateurs or Juniors. There are always horses for sale on the show circuits.

Hop on and ride them when you go look at them. If they don’t w/t/c for you (without making you nervous) keep looking. They are out there! I just found the perfect horse for me in a Thoroughbred for half what I was willing to pay. It took about 8 failed test rides before I found him though :slight_smile:

The right horse is out there! In most areas, your price range should get you a very suitable horse.