Is Florestan I still alive ? He’s an 86 model
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Is Florestan I still alive ? He’s an 86 model[/QUOTE]
“I” have not heard he’s passed so I believe he’s still alive. I do know he’s no longer breeding so frozen is the only way to breed to him now.
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Damsires for the Sandro Hit offspring - Contender, Temple Wind, Donnerhall, Houston.
I will look at damsires for the others later…[/QUOTE]
Is that Houston the TB stakes horse?
There is also a KWPN stallion named Houston…
Damsires for the Sandro Hit offspring - Contender, Temple Wind, Donnerhall, Houston.
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There is also a KWPN stallion named Houston…[/QUOTE]
Yes, that is the damsire of the Sandro Hit offspring mentioned above.
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As far as Hohenstein… he’s also a 1991. Does lack of top horses mean he’s a poor producer? Or is bad semen quality keeping the number of offspring down?
As to the number of top quality stallions coming from 1991 birth years… would there be any coorelation between the people involved with the approval process when the stallions were approved?[/QUOTE]
1991 produced Jazz, Michellino, and Breitling. 1993 was perhaps an even better year, producing Gribaldi, De Niro, Don Schufro, and Sandro Hit.
I think it would be hard to make a correlation between who approved stallions those years, considering some were approved in Holland, some in Denmark, and some in Germany - there were completely different stallion committees involved.
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The human factor seems like it could be a factor in some of this.
Is there a way to find which trainer/training barn were responsible for the horse that"makes it?" is there a top trainer/trainers responsible for more than one of the success stories?[/QUOTE]
Probably hard to track this also, but I imagine there are a plethora of trainers involved in getting the top horses “to the top”.
I think it is just a quality issue - just like some years in the TB racing business see exceptional foal crops and some years don’t, I imagine the years 1991 and 1993 in particular saw a bunch of darned good WB colts being born in Europe.
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Probably hard to track this also, but I imagine there are a plethora of trainers involved in getting the top horses “to the top”.
I think it is just a quality issue - just like some years in the TB racing business see exceptional foal crops and some years don’t, I imagine the years 1991 and 1993 in particular saw a bunch of darned good WB colts being born in Europe.[/QUOTE]
Breitling’s success and that of his offspring has to be attributed in large part to his owners/trainer, though obviously he produces offspring with aptitude. I like him a lot as a sire but he does not produce pretty so he is not for everyone.
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1991 produced Jazz, Michellino, and Breitling. 1993 was perhaps an even better year, producing Gribaldi, De Niro, Don Schufro, and Sandro Hit.
I think it would be hard to make a correlation between who approved stallions those years, considering some were approved in Holland, some in Denmark, and some in Germany - there were completely different stallion committees involved.[/QUOTE]
Were there MORE horses born in those years?
Other things to consider – Rubinstein has been dead for 11 years now, and was only 14 when he died.
And because his frozen stinks, he has not produced any get since then, so imagine what his production record would have been otherwise.
Hohenstein (to the best of my knowledge) does not have bad shipped semen, just bad frozen.
He was the hot ticket for many years and was bred to some very fine mares. And remains a wonderful producer of pretty and rideable horses for the lower levels, but I don’t think he’s been a great producer of GP horses.
Not that this is a bad thing…Horses for Courses, guys…
Hohenstein is an old boy now and his chilled no longer travels. If you want to use him it’s best to send your mare to his farm.
Regarding GP offspring there is Munchhausen and his sons Tiviano and Garuda K. The line is stunning, Caprimond (who is still breeding) Hohenstein, Munchhausen and Tiviano all showed in the arena together at last years trakehner grading. All did superb piaffe and passage from Caprimond age 25 to Tiviano age 6. I’d love to have a mare from these lines.
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Hohenstein is an old boy now and his chilled no longer travels. If you want to use him it’s best to send your mare to his farm.[/QUOTE]
Unless you’re in the US. 
And then you stack the odds in your favor the best you can.
He was born in 1991; same year as Jazz, so they’ve had equal time to “prove” themselves as producer of upper level dressage horses.
I have a neighbor who has imported several H. mares from Germany and adores them. They are very ridable (unlike many of the Jazz or Ferro offspring, so I’m told) and produce lovely babies.
But just because H. has produced a handful of GP horses doesn’t mean the is an outstanding sire for that level. This was a VERY popular stallion for many years, so if he was going to do it, I would think he would have.
And let me repeat there is nothing wrong with that! There is far more of a market for talented lower level dressage horses and they probably live happier lives, so I personally would not consider this a negative.
If some had a Jazz foal & a Hohenstein foal, I’m guessing they could sell the H. foal quicker and maybe even for more $$.
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Breitling’s success and that of his offspring has to be attributed in large part to his owners/trainer, though obviously he produces offspring with aptitude. I like him a lot as a sire but he does not produce pretty so he is not for everyone.[/QUOTE]
Agree. I am not sure he would have been quite as successful in competition and/or as a sire if he wasn’t owned/competed by good riders/trainers who also do a fair amount of breeding and campaign his offspring.
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Agree. I am not sure he would have been quite as successful in competition and/or as a sire if he wasn’t owned/competed by good riders/trainers who also do a fair amount of breeding and campaign his offspring.[/QUOTE]
Were all of Breitlings offspring included in the list trained by the same people?
