[QUOTE=kcmel;3467954]
Yes, I’m especially impressed that they are giving the mom 2 weeks off before she resumes training 
.[/QUOTE]
If you feel so strongly about this, why don’t you contact the owners and make them a fair offer for the filly? What else are they supposed to do?
If you read the article, it states the following “Once the foal is raised, Tiger Eyed will return to training, track officials say.”
The trainer, however, is quoted as saying she will resume training in early September.
No need for name calling! Call me jaded if you must but I don’t believe this type of owner is spending big bucks to rent/lease a nursemare for a foal with zero chance to earn money for them down the road. Heck, this whole crew was completely oblivious to the filly’s pregnancy until they found a full term foal in her stall. :rolleyes:
And as for the amount of milk a 2 year old can produce: I’ve personally witnessed more than one situation (at show barns) where failing to separate yearling colts and fillies wound up in unplanned births eleven plus months down the road. In those cases, the moms did successfully raise the foals themselves. Of course, those two year olds weren’t expected to go back to work in a couple of weeks and earn income for the owners.
Looks to me like they’re doing what’s best both animals and its a helluva lot more ethical than doing embryo transfers out of a competing show horse.
Apples and oranges and I completely disagree with you regarding the ethics involved. Separating a new mother and baby for no other reason than the $$$ is both morally and ethically deplorable, IMO.
[QUOTE=minnie;3465792]
And how does one take care of a horse every day and NOT notice she’s pregnant - at least 2 weeks before delivery anyhow???[/QUOTE]
Our first foal is out in the field w/mom. Till we had her, I’d never believed that people could overlook a mare being in foal. But I KNEW she was in foal, and she didn’t look at all big, no milk, nothing. When friends would stop by to see her, they kept asking which one she was. When we shipped her to the foaling center, the vet told me “not for at least two more weeks,” and 24 hours later, filly was born. So even the experts can be fooled!
[QUOTE=rcloisonne;3468678]
No need for name calling! Call me jaded if you must but I don’t believe this type of owner is spending big bucks to rent/lease a nursemare for a foal with zero chance to earn money for them down the road. Heck, this whole crew was completely oblivious to the filly’s pregnancy until they found a full term foal in her stall. :rolleyes:
And as for the amount of milk a 2 year old can produce: I’ve personally witnessed more than one situation (at show barns) where failing to separate yearling colts and fillies wound up in unplanned births eleven plus months down the road. In those cases, the moms did successfully raise the foals themselves. Of course, those two year olds weren’t expected to go back to work in a couple of weeks and earn income for the owners.
Apples and oranges and I completely disagree with you regarding the ethics involved. Separating a new mother and baby for no other reason than the $$$ is both morally and ethically deplorable, IMO.[/QUOTE]
So you’re okay with making harsh assumptions or implications about people and their situation for which you have very little personal knowledge? Oh well. Whether or not a two year-old has the ability to produce enough milk is irrelevant in regard to this situation. This filly was in hard work and I would say her physical resources were being used to meet the demands of her training, not producing milk. That’s what common sense dictates to me.
So here is what pisses me off about this- the fact that I have bred my mare twice with planning and accuracy, oh and money! And can’t get her in foal!!! And along comes a young race fit hard working filly who delivers a perfect baby by mistake! It should be so easy… :lol:
I honestly see nothing wrong with what the trainer or the owners are doing!
If you don’t know the owners personally how can you say they wouldn’t spend the money on saving this foal even though it can’t be registered?
If you had a 2 yr old filly in your barn that was running and training with time like that would you EVER think “hey she may be in foal?” of course you wouldn’t… don’t judge people till you know the whole situation… it makes you sound ignorant
I know! I have a similar situation with my own horses. My filly was impregnated by a gate-crashing stallion when she was about 13-14 months old. I had no idea until about two months before delivery. And I might not have known then if she hadn’t gotten seriously ill (unrelated to the pregnancy). She started to drop weight, and bagged up. I think she was going to lose the foal by delivering prematurely. But I figured it out and got her on an emergency feeding plan, and she held on. Had she not had the illness, I may not have known till she delivered.
If only she had had the issues my BREEDING mares have had! But no, one night of lust and of course there was a baby. Luckily he was perfect. And my filly, now mare, ended up fine as well.
What’s that saying?
How to get a special mare pregnant first try: Let the neighbour’s ill conformed brutish mongrel get out. Once. Through 3 fences. Guaranteed foal in one cover.
:lol:
So why is everyone so convinced this foal is unregisterable? The JC has registered the occasional “opps” foal. It might register this one, if it’s a TB.
DNA testing would have to be done. If she were at a farm with only a couple colts… that may be possible. If she were at a farm with many colts or changed hands during that time to a couple farms it would be next to impossible to figure it out. Guess it is up to the owners and how much research they want to do.
Given that it’s documented when Tiger Eyed was still on the breeder farm at conception and that the foal is a chestnut, it may not be all that difficult to narrow down who the sire is.
[QUOTE=WhiteCamry;3474381]
Given that it’s documented when Tiger Eyed was still on the breeder farm at conception and that the foal is a chestnut, it may not be all that difficult to narrow down who the sire is.[/QUOTE]
Right. And correct me if I am wrong, doesn’t the JC require DNA testing on all foals registered now? (My mare was pre-DNA)
So can’t a comparison be made of those colts who were out with the filly when she was on the barn? Assuming the colts made it to the track also.
What a cute girl and her foal. I hope she isn’t worked hard right after foaling, that would be a disaster.:eek:
[QUOTE=minnie;3465792]
And how does one take care of a horse every day and NOT notice she’s pregnant - at least 2 weeks before delivery anyhow???[/QUOTE]
I have had two mares who have done it. One was palpated by three different Vets who all said she was open. Her non colt is now 3 years old. I had a “barren” mare foal this year. She did not look pregnant, instead she was losing weight and I had upped her grain. I looked out the window one morning and saw a filly. This mare did not have a bag until she foaled, she had no other signs. It does happen.
Several years ago a friend of mine had spent uber dollars over several seasons trying to breed her TB mare to a warmblood stallion. The mare at one point was boarded at a barn in a stall and paddock. An 18 mo old ridgling jumped into her paddock and bred her, she got in foal, and that was the only time she ever conceived.:eek:
Yep… Aint that the truth! :lol:
Did Tiger Eyed and her foal make it thru Hurricane Gustav ok?
How’s the foal doing?
[QUOTE=cloudyandcallie;3491079]
Did Tiger Eyed and her foal make it thru Hurricane Gustav ok?
How’s the foal doing?[/QUOTE]
I think they’re getting the effects of Gustav today. I’ve heard it’s raining pretty hard in the Shreveport area, but not too bad otherwise.
But, haven’t heard any official updates on the foal. Am assuming the owners are highly embarassed and trying to avoid attention. 
The foal was placed on a nursemare almost immediately. I don’t know where the mare and foal are physically, but I doubt they are even on the same farm as each other.
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