Well that one looks like rider error, but yes if that’s how he normally jumps I wouldn’t be putting any more money in him.
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I meant an average mover, choppy gaits, etc. A warmblood with fancy movement has to make a lot of mistakes to score lower. At the lower levels, an average mover can do OK, but from 3rd level and up, it’s very hard to beat a warmblood when you’re on an average horse.
I spent years competing Thoroughbreds, and my scores rose quite a bit as soon as I bought a warmblood. My riding hadn’t changed.
That is what I meant, when the height of the fences goes up often the legs go up more.
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I look at that horse and think - if that is the best photo they could come up with for the advertisement then…
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I’m baffled by this thread, but as someone who made six figures of profit on “flipped” imports last year, I can promise that:
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I am not laundering any money unless it’s the cash for the hay guy in my jacket pocket that I ran through the washer last night.
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If someone has the skill and connections to buy something in Europe, sink the cost of import in it, and have it sold the second it sets foot on American soil for 5x, power to them. The number is more like double, maybe, because as it turns out the Europeans aren’t clueless and they know that Americans will pay big money for horses that the Europeans have no use for (hunters).
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Anyone assuming that what they’re getting in a European young horse is any sort of complete training has never imported a horse before;
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There’s a lot of $ value in being able to see and sit on the animal you’re paying $$$ for which is why there is an import resale market here in the States. If you don’t want to pay it, you’re welcome to board a plane and find some connections and try some horses in Europe. Be prepared for the duck and spin and a lot more antics, though…
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might be the highest the rider cared to jump?
That’s why auction pages do free jumping. They can add a couple of poles to the top and get a nice form.
Tucking the legs behind the ears isn’t a requirement for jumping. Why overjump a small hurdle…
I sometimes woder how hunters get their horses to jump 12 inches like it was a CHIO final!
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Because hanging legs are not just ugly, they can be dangerous.
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Unless that’s your horse I have to say I think it’s in poor taste to post that link. It’s not a sales ad, just a photographer’s proof.
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Interesting. My experience has been the opposite. At the lower levels training matters less, there are fewer opportunities to show off correct movements, and gaits matter more. At the higher levels poor training begins to really show and the average horse can pick up points with well-executed movements.
My retired GP horse is a WB with 6 gaits but very strong half-passes and tempis, and he did better at 4th through I-1 than at the lower levels.
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there is hanging and there is overjumping by feet.
seems to be correct
I’m lost.
But - the low end horses are still out there. I’ve found loads of gems in weird Facebook groups. Are they world beaters? No. Capable of doing the job I need them to do? Yes.
I think my most expensive hunter cost me $6,000 in 2003. At the time I felt like it was a ton of money (I was also younger). She was amazing. But definitely wouldn’t have won at the huge shows (we did well at the local As).
All that being said, it was riding the broken and the weird that got me a ton of skills and got me riding the better ones. Turns out I still like the weird and the broken so I’m not in that world any more, but…
Oh…horse prices…they are worth whatever someone is willing to pay for them. And right now, some people are willing to pay quite a bit.
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there are never a lot of horses on the market around here. and when they don’t stay there for a long time.
I think the secret is to buy what you need. Heaven knows I could not sit a top notch dressage horse on my best of days, and they have long since passed!
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That is not from an ad. Quite a number of showjumping bred horses start off like that and improve over time.
This picture is on a public webpage open to everyone. It is a photographer who takes pictures at competitions for the competitors to buy. The photographer post these on his website for everyone to see. For the lower jump this is not an unusual form.
https://sportpaardenfoto.nl/
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Have you seen the video of Gio as a young horse?
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I found that from 3rd level up, I could make many more mistakes with my WB and still score higher than my TB. That was true at every SoCal venue I showed at.
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This is the truth! I can botch a test on my warmblood and still come out higher than a perfect test on a tb.
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There’s one now on FB. Hasn’t done anything spectacular other than being a solid trail horse, grade, about 10 give or take, mare, 15 hands. They want north of 5 figures for her.
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not me! Gimme an average cob’s aesthetics anyday. QHs, ick. I don’t like the diaperbutts, straight hocks. Or little hooves and skinny little short legs. I do like their heads and necks.
I’ve owned many breeds, and a few grade horses…but never a QH.
on the other hand, i’ve trained many dogs, many breeds, and always had a prejudice against Labs, (thick bodies, too happy, so common, a QH in dog form)…until i got two of them. Now i love them. So, maybe i could get used to what i think is an ugly horse body if their brains are good. Personally, i’m currently in awe of mustangs nowdays tho. I love the brains that are born wild…
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