Why not an ottb

Well I’ve already contributed to this thread once, but here is my most recent “OTTB”. 10516624_804658519566069_8768338804002623411_n . I didn’t buy her, I bred and raised her. I trained her at the track, and she won a couple cheap races. She was a first foal from a mare that the owners didn’t want any more, and sired by my stallion. She was little, matured at 15.2. But she was big inside. She never put a foot wrong at the track. I belled her out of the gate myself, as there were no jocks available that day. I don’t usually do this, as I’m no jockey. But I did the breaking and galloping, so I took her to the gate that day, and had to wait there, wandering around in circles for about half an hour until two other horses showed up to “go with”, because that is necessary to get your gate card… the horse must load and break adequately with others. I lost my goggles going into the gate, and they put me on the outside so that I could swing wide and not get a facefull of sand when the other two horses outbroke me, and left me behind. So, the gates opened… and I never saw the other two again… they were so far behind. She looked after me that day. And continued to do so.
When we sold the race training farm and moved to a new life, she was finished racing, and I figured she’d make a nice children’s hunter. I advertised her for $2500, but got no interest. I guess I hadn’t figured out that people don’t buy off the track TBs for their kids any more. So I started riding her here, with practically no facilities built. But that was OK, she didn’t mind. And in no time she was popping around over small courses. I took her to her first show, which turned out to be on a rolling grass field. No problem, she jumped around. A friend took a picture of her there, she was stunning. Won prizes, of little note, it was just a little schooling show, but I was pleased… it couldn’t have gone any better. I began to think I might have a fun show horse on my hands, a 3 foot hunter for an old lady. More little local shows happened, and she continued to impress, and win. Then, we moved into the jumper divisions. Again, not big, just 3 foot 6, but she won a mini prix. And I hadn’t really competed at the shows for 20 years or so. But I again began to think I might have a jumper on my hands.

So I jumped her up to 4 foot at home. No problems. And entered a 3 Bar jumping class at a fall fair. She liked grids, and had courage, so I thought she’d do OK, probably roll a rail at some point. She didn’t. But she flattened a bit in front of the first jump (at 4 foot), and brought it down, the rail ended up between her front legs, and she came down onto her knees. I was in front of the saddle, still on board but on her withers. I dropped my outside hand to hopefully guide her further OUT of the line, and hopefully we would both remain upright. I managed to slip back onto the saddle as I was doing this. But did she take the guidance out of the line??? No. She swerved BACK into the line, and jumped the last two jumps, at 4’3" and 4’6" clean. Her decision entirely. Her dedication to her work. Stupid human, we don’t give up just because of a near fall. We finished second in the class. I was stunned. I put my hand on her shoulder, and felt the electric current of greatness under her hide. People came by just to touch her, incredulous. I kept saying “it wasn’t ME that did that… I was guiding her OUT of the line. It was HER”. She was amazing.
She won that class a number of times, jumping up to 5’ at the end of the line. And someone in the stands took this picture of her doing this, and as you can see, she is 6 inches clear of the 5 foot rail.
Even though she was only 15.2, her stride was so big that we had to come into these lines dead slow, lots of energy, but really collected. Otherwise, it felt like she was considering taking only ONE stride in there (not a good idea).
So… that’s what a TB can do for you. It was entirely WBs that we were jumping against. The first time, when she finished second in the class, was the ONLY time that she was not the winner.
I had to put her down last week. She was 24 years old. Star Coral.

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Mine came to me after a year of not-good-place letdown. Also still growing at 5.


Mature at 13.

I prefer one that’s had the track experience and run a good bit, but I bought myself a TB yearling this year so I guess we’ll see!

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Congrats! Got photos and pedigree?

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I am so sorry you lost your horse of a lifetime.

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Pedigree unfortunately not. He was one of the only babies from a large scale seizure of a breeding operation. No one could/would identify the dam. I have reason to believe he’s by Mr. Sidney, but no proof. JC won’t help on unregistered DNA. But, he’s cute and smart, the farm until it fell into disaster had well-bred stock, and he’s a fellow with a sense of his own worth so he wasn’t in terribly bad shape that would affect him later (the other babies looked worse, I think he ate their food). So I took a risk and spent very little money on this project that will of course cost a ridiculous amount of money to keep until he’s useful for anything :laughing:. But he is very cute!

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Since we are sharing, here is my old man, who I finally lost last year. Nobody was ever going to mistake this llama for anything but a TB, and he was really the best of his breed.

When he was first pulled out a field as a 12 year old, after being off for over a year, babysitting young Oldenburgs:

About a year later:
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Learning how to event a couple of years after that:

He had the biggest, sweetest heart: image

I have a bunch of other photos of him with his lease kid, who took him up through Training, but those aren’t mine to share. They had so much fun and my sweet old man turned into a XC packer and a gorgeous jumper and dressage horse. My trainer always said had we gotten him as a younger horse he could have easily gone Advanced. He could jump anything and had one of the best gallops I’ve ever sat on. :heart::heart::heart:

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I’d just like to say that not all racehorses are skinny. Fit equals muscle, not lack of groceries (although it’s sometimes hard to get them to eat as much as you want at the track.)

This is our nearly race-fit 2yo filly. She was entered to run at Keeneland late last month, then dinged her knee 2 days before the race. We gave her a month off–and she used the time to grow just under 3 inches (!!) So now we’re thinking we’ll probably run her next spring. (A long explanation to say this is not far off from what she looked like on the track 4 weeks ago.)

This was from her last breeze before the race:

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I think race horses are almost never skinny. They are usually skinny once they have come off the track and are being managed by non- racehorse people. Most of these same people will also tell you that they rescued them.

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They’re individuals… some are big and fat and shiny and look like show hunters, so people automatically assume warmblood. Some are leaner and fit, which is what some people think a thoroughbred is supposed to look like.

Mine gets mistaken for a quarter horse of all things :sweat_smile::roll_eyes: I’m attributing it to the large hind end and the fact that we are still growing and tend to be more downhill.

Yearling sale picture:

Recent horse show:

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I have a “QH” thoroughbred. Big ole booty and I’m a tad worried he may never fully level out :joy:. He’s got Giant’s Causeway. My other one gets mistaken for a WB all the time. He’s an In Reality - when he was working he had that metronome canter that fools you into almost leaving out a stride despite feeling like you’re going slowwwww.

On another note, I’m obviously a TB fan and I’d likely guess Thoroughbred on most of the horses we are all showing off here. That’s because I know what a TB that isn’t race-fit or underfed looks like. However, I will say that the WEF hack winning hunter or top gait-scoring dressage horse looks very different from your average TB. There are absolutely TBs that hold their own in those rings (clearly shown here as well as all the “missing papers WBs” out there), but it can be hard for most people to look at a jog video of a racehorse and see which ones have it in them. Easier to import something if you have the budget… and so we see fewer and fewer proud TBs in those rings, an effect that trickles down. Eventing and jumpers? Much more common.

I’d love to have a sport-bred TB. I like the brain and the desire for a job. But they are hard to source!

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Gad, she’s elegant!

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Thank you. She’s a real doll. She’s by Goldencents o/o a Hard Spun mare who is half-sister to a homebred G2 winner. 3rd dam is millionaire Brownie Points who ran 2nd to Zenyatta in the G1 Apple Blossom. :slight_smile:

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Love that in a hunter prospect line! Great rhythm, tons of step, seemingly great brains.

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She’s really lovely. All your horses are gorgeous, but I specifically love her! :heart_eyes:

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I am so sorry you had to let her go. But my what a mare and the memories she gave you! Thank you for sharing. And hugs.

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My first horse was a 10 year old OTTB. I don’t know about his breeding or racing career, but he was doing well in the hunters with a daisy cutter trot and tight little knees when he jumped. He was very athletic and quick, I called him my little Ferrari. After 19 years together, he passed away this past August at 29.

My new guy is a 4 year old by Souper Speedy, and he’s absolutely wonderful. He has a great brain, smart, but does have a bit of a stubborn streak. He has a well balanced trot, and while he did jump at the re-starter, that’s not our focus right now. I don’t plan on showing, but I’m excited.

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Okay, I love all these TB photos. I’ll add mine. I have done a bit of everything with him. We just recently did a 12-mile trail ride for a charity event, which was fun! I overhead someone at the event asking my friend what kind of horse I was riding. My friend said, “Some kind of warmblood.” ?? If I was closer I would have screamed, “He’s a THOROUGHBRED!” A good TB is a versatile horse. :blush:

Jumping…

Schooling…
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Dressage…


Trail Competitions…


Charity Trail Ride…

ETA I forgot western!
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Woo-hoo my kind of horse! His halt in dressage reminds me of my ottb girl. I always knew I would get at least an 8 on our halts. She stopped square everytime without any guidance from me. :cowboy_hat_face:

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Thanks! Yes, it took some working getting those at first, but he’s pretty good now. :grin:

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I breed them. But can’t sustain it, as there isn’t enough demand. IMO, a sport-bred TB is pretty close to my perfect horse. No baggage from the track, no track injuries, no poor track farriers, no untraining to do. But all the good stuff: work ethic, honesty, intelligence, athleticism that you get in a TB, plus correct movement and jumping talent if you know your pedigrees. WBs of similar age/training are – for me, at least-- a lot less fun to ride. They make you work too hard! Their “try” runs out quickly, they have a tendency to be much more selfish than a TB. You say Go to a TB, and they ask “How fast” after they’re already in motion; say “Go” to a WB and it’s met with some degree of “Well, I guess, if you insist.”

Trust me, I get why people don’t want OTTBs; after starting 10 of my own homebred TBs, I am spoiled when I have to get on an off track horse! My horses aren’t stiff, they respond to a half halt, they listen to your body, they don’t have anxiety, or tight backs, or bad mouths (they don’t pull and they don’t hide). When I get on a client’s fresh OTT horse, it’s so much more work: teaching them to bend, to soften, to relax, to rebalance and carry themselves. Teach them about contact and rhythm. It’s certainly not impossible (I’ve done it lots of times, and love my OTTBs!), but there is NO denying that it’s easier to produce a Sport Horse when you don’t have to unlearn habits and teach new things. It’s a strong testament to the TB willingness and brain that we can so successfully transition them to completely unrelated careers after the track. But when you start with a baby TB who has been brought up in a sport horse direction? It’s a joy.


My homebred TB 4yo finished 3rd in the US Event Horse Futurity, 11th overall at YEH Championships. With 8s for gallop and overall impression.

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