[QUOTE=ThreeBarPocoGal;3492106]
Not the point…when the horse parks the kidneys move up and it’s uncomfortable for the horse to have your weight there when that happens so you stand up and lean over the shoulders.[/QUOTE]
Really? Are you sure about that?
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Where are they going to go, exactly? :lol:
Besides the fact that I don’t think organs move around. Maybe I’m wrong, but I really do not think that’s true.
Ok, for those of you that
think if your horse pees while you sit your lazy butt on his back it must not bother him, let me point out that if not given ANY OTHER CHOICE, you’ll pee in your car in a traffic jam, you’ll pee in an empty stall, behind a bush, in the men’s room, you get the idea. If you must, you will. Doesn’t mean you’ll like it though. Put your feet shoulder width apart, put your hands on the arm of a chair. Think about having to pee in this position. Now have a wiggly impatient six year old child sit on your back. Put a bit in your mouth and let him play with it. Invite your friends in to watch. Seems like a small thing to make a horse comfortable. Don’t know why you wouldn’t.
[QUOTE=Quin;3492247]
And where else but on CoTH can we spend an entire holiday weekend arguing about whether it our horses are happier if we get up out of the saddle when they pee?
:winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin:
Love you guys![/QUOTE]
I know- the Great Pee Debate of 2008.
2ndygal, our lazy butt? Or maybe your confused with " your dumb ass "?
[QUOTE=ThreeBarPocoGal;3491978]
Um no I’m not a little girl…
When the horse stretches out to pee the kidneys come up, you stand up to take some of the pressure off of them. A mare does not have to park out as much, but geldings and stallions physically have to. A mare can run and pee at the same time, a male horse cannot.[/QUOTE]
(Emphasis mine.)
Yes, they can. I used to drive a Belgian gelding who’d pee while walking or trotting. There wasn’t anything wrong with him; he just wouldn’t stop moving until you told him to stop, so if he really had to pee, out it came no matter what you were doing.
EEEEEWWWWWWW!
Gosh, Buddyroo, you just haven’t LIVED till you’ve had a horse pee while you’re riding it. Have to say, my gelding’s more likely to urinate during a ride than my mare - unless she’s in heat. Then she takes every opportunity to “advertise”.
Mares tend to “straddle” more than geldings or stallions. Both lift their backs while voiding, at least in my experience. I stand up over the shoulders because while straddling or parking, the horse does not have its hind legs in a good position to support extra weight (that would be me).
As far as the moving kidney idea, well, if the horse lifts its back to urinate (as mine do – there may be those who do not; I wouldn’t know) it stands to reason the kidneys move with the rest of the horse’s innards. Otherwise, I can’t imagine they’d move very far!
[QUOTE=ThreeBarPocoGal;3492106]
Not the point…when the horse parks the kidneys move up and it’s uncomfortable for the horse to have your weight there when that happens so you stand up and lean over the shoulders.[/QUOTE]
My horse had his kidneys examined by ultrasound today. The right kidney was accessed from a spot high up on his right flank, not through the back. Not where your tush would be. Nowhere near the vicinity of the saddle. The vet pointed the ultrasound wand thingie up and showed me the huge layer of muscle above the kidney. This was the horse’s lower back, which he referred to as his “pork tenderloins.”
The left kidney was accessed via the rectum. The left kidney is way deep down in there, even farther from the saddle – and your tush – than the right kidney.
If you can sit on a horse’s kidneys, you must have supernatural talents.:lol:
Totally not a scientific opinion here, but while out hunting it seems like lots of the horses take the opportunity to pee during checks. It’s tough to notice on your own horse sometimes, so people helpfully point it out to whomever is on board. I’ve noticed time and time again that the, ahem, flow increases dramatically when a rider stands up. Seems to me that must mean it is easier on them.
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;3492373]
think if your horse pees while you sit your lazy butt on his back it must not bother him, let me point out that if not given ANY OTHER CHOICE, you’ll pee in your car in a traffic jam, you’ll pee in an empty stall, behind a bush, in the men’s room, you get the idea. If you must, you will. Doesn’t mean you’ll like it though. Put your feet shoulder width apart, put your hands on the arm of a chair. Think about having to pee in this position. Now have a wiggly impatient six year old child sit on your back. Put a bit in your mouth and let him play with it. Invite your friends in to watch. Seems like a small thing to make a horse comfortable. Don’t know why you wouldn’t.[/QUOTE]
b/c it does not bother him.
I personally think it’s an old wives tale about getting off their kidneys
read this recently as a mythbuster fact as well but still go into 2-point anyway from years of being told to do so.
[QUOTE=Quin;3492247]
And where else but on CoTH can we spend an entire holiday weekend arguing about whether it our horses are happier if we get up out of the saddle when they pee?
:winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin::winkgrin:
Love you guys![/QUOTE]
ha ha – to P or not to P--------that is the question - ha ha
I don’t understand why a rider would NOT get up off a horse’s back while it’s in the “urinating” position. It’s awkward enough for the horse WITHOUT weight on its back. It “may not bother him”, but I’ll wager most horses appreciate the weight shift forward while they’re doing their thing.
It’s such a small gesture in the interest of the animal’s comfort. Nezzy, why don’t you try it once or twice and see for yourself?
[QUOTE=Dazednconfused;3490166]
I was under the impression that lordosis was a genetic condition. I’m sure parking out doesn’t help matters, but lots of morgans are trained to park out too, and I have not heard of it being a problem in that breed.[/QUOTE]
Lordosis is a genetic condition. The horse will have it regardless if it has ever been parked out or even ridden for that matter.
I have seen and ridden many horses that,do not like to pee,until you get off their back.
If I am hunting all day I want the horse to pee when ever he needs to.
Many geldings will dither about with their hinds,until you get off their back[ie stand in stirrups and move your weight forwards] then they will finish stretching out for a good pee.
Many times I have watched geldings trying to set up to pee,and their ignorant owners make them move forwards.
I truly think the owners just dont understand the horse wants to pee,I often say,your horse wants to pee,please stand in your stirrups ,that will help him balance himself to pee.
They are amazed that I could tell their horse was trying to pee.
Ignorance of the rider is not good for some geldings.
I was taught to stand when they pee or poop.
[QUOTE=SuperSTB;3492426]
I know- the Great Pee Debate of 2008.[/QUOTE]
Well, it certainly is much more entertaining and interesting than the Pissing Contest going on with our Presidential Election this year. 
LOl… My mare will stop right on the trail, assume the position and pee…:yes:
Gosh County
You usually don’t get so touchy when someone disagrees with you. My point was, since you missed it, my dumb ass will explain it to you in short, one sylable words. If it only takes a small thing on your part to “possibly” make your horse a bit more comfortable while he pees, since his is toting your “lazy butt” around, the very least you can do, in a polite, gentlemanly sort of way, is stand a bit in your stirrups, lean a bit forward and let him get on with doing what he needs to do. I usually disagree with you. You are probably right about there being no ill effects, no medical or anatomical (oops sorry, big word) reason for doing so. It just seems kind. You can only piss higher on the wall than me if you hold yours.
[QUOTE=2ndyrgal;3493677]
You can only piss higher on the wall than me if you hold yours.[/QUOTE]
'Splain, please:confused:
[QUOTE=Eyemadonkee;3489978]
My horse respects that the ring is not his personal toilet and holds it until he gets back into his stall. :winkgrin: That was his decision, btw.[/QUOTE]
Mine too! In the two and a half years that I’ve been riding him, he has pooped twice while being ridden, and peed twice while being ridden (and actually, neither time was in the ring). The first time he pooed, I was shocked. And both times he’s peed is when he has spent a lot of time outside his stall and just couldn’t hold it anymore.
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