Wouldn't Lady Mary Crawley ask for a "leg up" rather than a "hand up"?

[Minerva]

[QUOTE=gothedistance;8478401]
They had an expert on Georgian era customs on set, so he would be keen not to let a lady use a gentleman’s terminology.[/QUOTE]

Georgian or Edwardian? The Georgian era covered the reigns of the Georges (I-IV) from 1714-1830, though it is often extended to 1837 to include the brief reign of William IV. Victoria reigned from 1837 to 1901, and Edward from 1901-1910, but the “Edwardian era” is often extended as far as 1919.

I would think an Edwardian scholar would be their best bet, particularly since society at the end of Victoria’s reign was so different than it was at the beginning.

[gothedistance]

Edwardian. Sorry, my mistake.

[danceronice]

[QUOTE=Chall;8478519]
I think this came up in discussions about the War Horse movie.
But I’m wrong, because that would be after the tv shows time period.[/QUOTE]

No, it would be during the first and second season. War Horse is set before and during World War I. Downton Abbey’s current season is 1925, several years after the war ended.

[Romahorse]

If she were smart, she would have. : ) I had to remount twice at this week’s hunt. The 1st time I lowered my stirrup & mounted unassisted. Second time, got a leg up. Much more graceful.

[Minerva]

[QUOTE=gothedistance;8481671]
Edwardian. Sorry, my mistake. :([/QUOTE]

No worries! I was just curious since using a Georgian expert would definitely cause some inconsistencies. :lol:

[Janet]

I also think it is a matter of English vs American usage.

For instance, in the more generic sense of help in getting your career started, the British are more likely to say someone got a “hand up on the ladder of success”, and the Americans are more likely to say a “leg up on the ladder of success”.

[RPM]

[QUOTE=Major Mark;8479762]
My question is what’s with the black cuffs on Robert’s red coat? Never seen them before.

But I still enjoy the eye candy that Downton Abbey provides. Nicely filmed hunt scenes, even if it does show the huntsman in front of the hounds. Which I see in so many movie hunts. When I get the farm fully operational I’m going to have to insist on White Tie at my dinner parties…[/QUOTE]

I think since we are discussing terminology, that coat should be referred to as ‘pink’.

Good post, gothedistance!

[Equibrit]

[QUOTE=rebeginner;8479804]

3. Major Mark, I chuckled when I saw hounds behind the huntsman. Oopsie…[/QUOTE]

Check out these pictures; http://www.bailyshuntingdirectory.com/gallery/

Well trained hounds are behind the Huntsman when;
They leave the meet.
Before he casts them.
When he lifts them.
At a check.
Coming in.
Moving to the next covert.
They leave when he tells them !

[alicen]

Oiks! On closed caption they’re called barking dogs.

[Tiger_Paws]

[QUOTE=RPM;8486321]
I think since we are discussing terminology, that coat should be referred to as ‘pink’.

Good post, gothedistance![/QUOTE]

Or are they Pinques?

[Willesdon]

… that coat should be referred to as ‘pink’

Most people in the UK talk of ‘red’ or ‘scarlet’. Old hunting images show many of the men, more than today, attired in red coats. Post ban, a lot of hunts no longer use them. However, a red coat is still generally worn by hunt staff, male Masters and, in some hunts, men who have been given their hunt button.

The Dictionary of Phrase and Fable, E. Cobham Brewer, 1894, gives the following explanation "The red coat in fox-hunting (or scarlet) is a badge of royal livery, hunting being ordained by Henry II a royal sport. " My more practical theory is just that red is highly visible against the colours of the winter countryside.

The story is that the name ‘hunting pink’ derived from a tailor called Thomas Pink and that ‘in the pink’ refers to both the jackets and to the healthy, energetic approach to the pastime that many hunters adopt. Keen foxhunters then might be said to be literally ‘in the pink’. Unfortunately, there are no historical records of any such person called Thomas Pink making coats and the association with foxhunting wasn’t suggested until long after the first references to pink jackets.

However, there is now a company that makes very good shirts called Thomas Pink http://www.thomaspink.com/