As a P.S.-- take a look at the photo of Hansel on the Del Mar site – one of the better TB photos I’ve seen from a sport horse perspective! YUM!
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These answers can only come from the few breeders in Germany that used him. [/QUOTE] I am curious as to why Limoncello II was not used more extensively in Holstein? Did Limoncello I enjoy any more popularity with Holsteiner breeders?
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I am curious as to why Limoncello II was not used more extensively in Holstein? Did Limoncello I enjoy any more popularity with Holsteiner breeders?[/QUOTE]
If I had to guess it would be because he is by a dressage stallion. According to the 2011 breeding indices , he has only sired 38 foals since 2004.
Limonchello I has no indices.
I think he may be a good sire for the amateur market here as his children have inherited good movement and good rideability from him.
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With all due respect, why is owning a horse a prereq for understanding how/what stallions produce?[/QUOTE]
Never said it was but if a person has never bred , never owned and never ridden…do you really think they have the tools available to understand ? I sure don’t.
I work at the clinic that breeds Lemke’s mares (the colt and filly from Karen’s website). First, the Limoncello II semen is super 
The 2011 colt Lyonos is really stunning, not a great picture of him on Karen’s website. I took pictures of him in the field and at his inspection, I will have to see if I can find them. Super moving colt, leggy, modern, sensitive and smart. They have a 2012 colt a full sibling to Lyonos, also very, very nice. Dam is Ipsa by Alcatraz who also produced Cinnco de Mayo a Grand Prix dressage gelding by Coriander. Their 2011 Limoncello II filly screams world class jumper she is more substantial and really athletic. It was a blast to watch her run and effortlessly leap thru the air :yes: Both colts are for sale!
The top scoring foal at my AHHA inspection was a Limoncello II out of a very nice Chagall dressage mare. I believe the filly was also the top scoring foal in the nation for AHHA (9,9). Clearly dressage bred with spectacular movement- attractive and very well put together. Seemed to improve the mare’s top line, and add type. Mare was also a very good dressage mare (I believe as I know very little about dressage, but watched this filly carefully as she was the only one to score higher than my Coronett II filly). He adds pretty for sure.
The first foalcrop from Limoncello I was from 2004. In total he has 36 offspring with sportresults, the most of them are from 2005 and younger. He is approved for three studbooks here in Germany. So far Limoncello I has produced 7 broodmares from witch 4 are State Premium mares.
Limoncello II his first foalcrop is from 2005 and has so far 13 registered horses with sportresults and the approved son Le Toquet.
It is difficult to judge L line stallions, because clients around the world all want C line offspring. So mainly breeders are breeding with stallions from the Corde or de Cottage Son xx line because they sell better also because most buyers are familiar with the names from those C stallions.
This doesn’t say anything about the quality from the L line stallions like the Limoncello brothers. The two previouss posts are an example that Limoncello II is at least producing quality in foals. It is too early to saying something about how they well grow out, but using him as a Sire could be really interesting.
Bachus great point about selling. The market doesn’t always give the best price to the best horse, as a foal.
A friend in Germany said they breed differently for the different markets, out of the same mare. A top prospect will be often be of different breeding than the foal whose goal is an auction, etc. They bred to Casall years ago, when he wasn’t as popular, and that one wasn’t for sale 
The Diarado foal was.
