"Wow, they do that now?" -- Surprises after a long absence

Sigh… I was so pleased that this thread had not gone down the “hunters aren’t hunters anymore!” rabbit hole. But, here we are.

In short, in most places true field hunts are rare, if they exist at all. Many of the hunts that do exist are expensive, and often run at times that the average working adult (or school aged child) just cannot accommodate. There is less land for hunters. Typically people who hunt come from families that hunt, and that implies a level of affluence that many of us just do not have access to.

The reality is, most people only have the time or desire to participate on weekends and after work, and that is ok, Some care about the traditions of field hunter, many do not. They just want to ride and be involved in horses. MANY people get a thrill/satisfaction from jumping around a 2’6 course in a sand ring and have ZERO desire to hunt. And that’s ok. They are accessing horses at a level that is attainable and pleasurable to them. If its too dull for some, that’s ok, they can go event or find a hunt to join, no need to bash hunters just because it’s not their cup of tea. I don’t think OP was “bashing” hunters so to speak, but the comments had a tinge of judgement.

I personally have heard from field hunters (or those who used to hunt afield) the notion of how “Today’s show hunters are too soft and could never hunt in the field!”. But, then I watch events like Hunt Night at the PNHS where a decent percentage of the horses and riders can’t get around, or if they do, its scary. So, my guess would be that the number of show hunters that can get around a hunt field would be about the same as the number of field hunters that can get around a basic show hunter course. It’s now 2 separate disciplines to meet 2 different needs. And, not that it matters, but most horses I have ever had would have transitioned to the hunt field just fine, with the exception of my current horse. He was bred to be a show horse, and getting him to be a hunt horse would take a lot of work. Square peg in a round hole type thing, so it would take a lot of whittling :rofl:.

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Tentatively raises hand and looks around

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Love this post!
I was a member of our local hunt for many years, but show season and hunt season collided, and made life difficult. Most of the horses that I loved hunting also showed. I hated riding a drafty, heavy hunt horse. Always preferred TBs or WBs to hunt. And I was not alone in crossing my disciplines. Having said this, the same local hunt is dwindling for many reasons, including loss of land, and the new staff dumbing it down for riders that don’t feel like they need to be better riders, but have a lot of money to throw at the hunt, so they are coddled. It’s a drag hunt these days, so they can do it anyway they like
I do not understand the mindset of people who say “oh, well back when I was showing we didn’t have all the lower level stuff. You had to jump ginormous jumps and we liked it”. Why are you so against people riding at a level that makes them happy? And to be honest, one of the worst things I see as a pro is people riding in classes past their level; if you aren’t ready to jump a 3’6 course safely, you should not be doing it. It’s dangerous. Modern course, even upper level hunter, jumper, or equitation courses these days can be more technical than you would think. And certainly more technical than they were 25 years ago. The GP horses, and 4’ working hunters of the 60’s and 70’s would not be all that competitive in todays show ring

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Unrelenting disgusted me. I got about 1/4 into and never finished. I met the man many times. Used to train his great nieces. Subjected myself to a clinic once. I don’t know why I thought I would like the book. Ugh. Waste of whatever $

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Yeah, pretty much to all of this. Even the first time around, when I was younger, fitter, and better, that perfection thing another person mentioned, was it. I was always chasing the white whale of eight good spots and the rhythm. Now I’m chasing the white whale of getting to a crossrail right. Getting my twentysomething confidence back is longterm goals.

It’s funny Pokerface mentions the “real” hunt horses at PNHS hunt night and similar. I was catching up on a pile of COTHs over the holiday and reading the article about hunt horses for hire. (And I know we’re talking about packing different riders around in this scenario as opposed to somebody’s regular ride), But in general, I always thought hunt horses needed to be pretty steady and unflappable. I was saying to a family member, with that in mind, “I think some of these horses are pretty freaked out by ‘civilization,’ artificial environments, and confined spaces because some of them look pretty darn not-broke and scary-jumping to me!”

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Good analysis, @Pokerface, and you’re correct: I wasn’t bashing. Just in a mindset to analyze after so many years. And as I said, I’m genuinely curious.

Here’s a point I’m gleaning from the comments: Many riders experienced success in the hunter ring, or have a shot at it, and that’s a good deal of the impetus. My own ribbons were few and low. Perhaps my boredom stemmed from being not particularly suited for this branch of competition and not seeing any payoff from the hard work and substantial expense. This isn’t sour grapes on my part. I simply wasn’t talented or driven enough, when others were, and they rightfully prevailed.

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You’re not old enough! Breeches used to have foot straps. Probably back when they were jodphers.

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I am personally very glad that I no longer feel the need to wear the two-way stretch Tailored Sportsmans with the horrible seam right behind my knee (and I have the scars to prove it), or too-big-anyways pull on boots that required three people to remove at the end of the day!

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Yes! The jodhpurs had elastic straps that went under the instep of your jodhpur boots. Jodhpurs were loose above the knee (so you could mount in the days before stretch fabrics, except for the amount of natural stretch in wool) but fitted on the lower legs, so didn’t ride up.

I ALWAYS wore my helmet, and liked my boots, too. They were stiff enough that they pretty much held my ankle and foot in the correct shape. My lower leg felt a lot more mobile and floppy without boots. I even wore boots bareback. Those boots were so sturdy! The pair I got at about age 14 lasted several decades. At about age 35 I wore those boots to a Friendsgiving where a walk after dinner over tough terrain was proposed. I wanted to go, but people thought my skirt and boots weren’t at all suitable. I pointed that the skirt was wool with a real silk lining (skirt was at least a twice-hand-me-down by then), I was wearing sweater-knit tights, and those nice-looking boots were my riding boots, which I wore to shovel manure. They let me go.

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Yes there was a time when breeches did have elastic stirrup straps!

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That fabric was HORRIBLE and those breeches looked TERRIBLE on me. Yet there was a span of time where you HAD to wear them, it was the only fashionable show breech.

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I love the 2-way TS. I hunt in them. They don’t get taken out by the thorns. Y’all and your damn soft new-age breeches that don’t survive in the hunt field…:wink::rofl:

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That may be their ONE redeeming quality. Two if you count that they are the same color as your horse’s slobber :rofl:.

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Really old britches had buttons that you did up with a buttonhook.

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And there was a time that boots had garter straps to keep your breeches from riding up. They were thin buckled straps at the top of your tall boots. People wearing jodhpurs and jodhpur boots had unattached garter straps that also went just below the knee. The jodhpur straps were brown; the tall boots straps were the color of the boots.

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Those were my first tall boots. IIRC, the brand was Marlborough. I was so proud of those. They gapped horribly at the tops and weren’t very tall but I didn’t know any different. Everyone around wore them too.

The first “name brand” pair of breeches I had were Harry Hall. Before that I don’t remember that we focused on brands, just got whatever Miller carried.

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They also seem weirdly stain repellant (beyond the slobber camo). I buy them up used especially since I get multiple wearings out of them before they start showing it :grimacing: … I often tell my mother that, if we had known about this back in the old days, she wouldn’t have refused to pay the TS premium.

:clap: :clap: :clap: to @Pokerface & @kirbydog!! I would love to be capable and brave enough to jump around the 3’6"-4’ divisions of yesteryear, but the odds of that happening are probably in the single digits. Whatever height you do, I think of the hunters as the ballet to jumpers’ tumbling/gymnastics, and they are the pursuit of beauty in addition to the athleticism.

And you can also add me to the list that never could read all the way thru Hunter Seat Equitation (although the pics help me a lot) and actually like the 2-way Tailoreds. I mean, they’re indestructible!

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ah! remember boot garters?! on your Marlborough boots? The height of equestrian fashion

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the first time I wore micro fiber 4 way stretch breeches, it felt like i was riding in long underwear! but i did appreciate the way the air flows through them in the heat. the cold? not so much