Come on @SoCoPony! Dontcha know they are still hauling the carcasses out of Devon a month after the end of the show?
It is a very busy time of year for all the rendering companies in the Philadelphia area after Devon! They make bank every year on just that show alone.
Well I gotta say for all the shows I been entered into. Never once did I see a dead horse laying around to be hauled out. Devon or elsewhere.
I guess I needed a tin foil hat instead of an ear bonnet to be included in that âSHHH Super Secret Donât Say Anything Clubâ.
Itâs under a confidentiality agreement, guys. Duh.
Do you know how frigginâ hard it is to hide a horse carcass this time of year?
Let me tell you, it ainât pretty and it smells even worse!
Shouldnât the equine insurance industry have some actuarial data on the risks of different disciplines?
I just received my renewal notice. Major medical coverage costs the same for both horses. For mortality, I pay 3.7% of the value of my 14 year-old insured for lower-level eventing (which includes at least through Prelim) and 3% of the value of my 5-year-old insured for dressage. Iâm not sure if the difference is a combination of age and discipline, but I was thinking of getting a quote to switch the dressage horse to eventing so I can cross-train, and Iâll report back if I do.
Arenât there insurance companies that will not insure eventers anymore? I remember reading that.
Based on FB posts Iâve seen from eventers, yes, there are definitely carriers out there who no longer insure eventers. But havenât seen the same outcry from h/j riders 
Has this been discussed beforeâwhy not consider adding some subjective scoring to the cross country phase (especially now that video cameras are ubiquitous), like you have in the dressage phase, that would dole out points or penalties for rough riding, tense horses, bad pace, bad spots, etc.? Idea being that the horse and rider combo would need to look smooth and confident to score well, not just make it over by hook or crook. I am not saying it would have to judged like an equitation class, but I am saying there should be some kind of consequence for sawing on the horseâs mouth, horse jumping inverted, running and gunning, etc. It is interesting to me that in the ethos of the sport, people are completely accepting of the subjective nature of dressage scoring, but when crossing over to the next two phases, insist it has all got to be objective. I think collapsible fences cross country and some subjective scoring on the basic competence of the pairing could go a long way to improving safety.
Video cameras on cross country are far from ubiquitous.
Also, who are you going to pay to review the videos and assign subjective scores? And what will be the effect on entry fees.
And isnât that called a hunter derby? (rhetorical question)
Existing jump judges, or someone who sits in some centralized video command center? Video cameras are ubiquitousâdidnât mean to imply every course is videoed, just that everybody has the technology now, from their phones to their doorways to their helmet cams, Plus money would be saved not building the massive unforgiving permanent jumps : )
Adding a dressage phase to a hunter derby would be pretty interesting, IMO.
Havenât heard of many hunter derby deathsâŠ
So basically regular hunters? Judged on the flat, judged over fences.
You do realize that the ground jury already has the ability to stop people for dangerous riding right ? You also realize that many times jump judges are volunteers that have little to no eventing experience? So maybe asking them to judge if something is dangerous riding or not is not the best way to run an event .
Do you know how boring a hunter under saddle is by comparison to a dressage test?
You obviously donât go to the same Horse Trials that I do. There are plenty of (small, lower level) Horse Trials where there is no mobile phone coverage, and no WiFi, and where no new jumps have been built in a decade. They have a lot of trouble getting enough jump judges, most jump judges are judging multiple jumps. As mentioned on the other thread, you canât jump judge and video at the same time. The PoGJ is busy judging dressage or show jumping.
To say nothing of the fact that one personâs âsawing on the mouthâ is someone elseâs âeffective ridingâ, and so on.
I think if ground juries were truly stopping bad riding, eventing would not have so many problems. Dangerous vs just bad may be a fine line, but I think you need to get at the bad and the ugly, not just the âdangerous,â to actually address the danger. So that it does not become the refuge of riders who canât/wonâs find a distance or keep a pace, or who think they will try eventing because their horse is too tense or hot for the hunter ring, or hangs its legs. So interesting to me that people accept that you need dressage judges and scribes notwithstanding the cost and subjectivity, but are horrified to think they are going to get evaluated based on subjective criteria cross country
No, I am actually disagreeing with the idea that you should have people with little to no eventing experience deciding if something is dangerous or not. By all means everyone should be empowered to reach out to members of the ground jury if there is any concern about what they are seeing and ideally an inexperienced jump judge will have someone more experienced to help them out . But if you are going to expect jump judges to make subjective decisions that can affect a person placing then they should be paid support staff that know enough about eventing to make a fair and accurate assessment. Not just any volunteer that they pull off the streets . And dangerous riding rules should apply across the levels because some of the scariest riding can often be found at training level and below . If you want to jack up entry fees to make something like this happen more power to you. Just understand that you will be pricing a lot of people out of the sport , including those at the lower levels .
So sorry for your loss. One of my mares died this way, too. Everyone asked me if I would turn my new horse out. I said that horses need to be horses, so of course that includes turnout. Some people didnât agree. đ€·
Interesting. In area 2 40 years ago the vast majority of eventers had one horse and did everything themselves. The total devotion to the horse was one of the things that drew me to eventing. Today professionals have grooms and working students and assistant trainers that ride and care for the horses. Amateurs, by and large, board with a professional. Now itâs a business. Not saying worse or better but definitely different.
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