I thought that anything built after a certain date that could be built frangible was required to be? This appears to be a pretty new fence (at least the middle part).
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I donât know if itâs a situation where the fence was already there (but maybe got a new log on top) and is somehow âgrandfatheredâ in despite having parts of it replaced? But thereâs no reason big upper level events with sponsors and such shouldnât have frangibles everywhere itâs feasible for them to be.
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What happened, did anyone see? Apparently is was on a livestream. Was it rotational or just a bad fall? Absolutely gutted to hear about thisâŠ
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Iâve read on another site that the log was pinned. From those that saw the fall it appeared to be a low energy slow rotational fall.
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Which is what pins were designed to mitigate.
Did the pin release?
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wow really? Thatâs concerning then unless it was not a rotational?
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In that photo, it certainly doesnât look pinned. It appears the weight of it is resting on those two stumps.
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I just asked, nicely, on the Horse and Hound Forum thread about it. I also shared a link to our frangible grant here. I do post semi regularly there.
Emily
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From those who saw the livestream it was a rotational, a very slow one apparently.
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I asked about whether the log was pinned or not. I saw the comments about how it happened.
Em
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Phillipâs FB post seems to suggest that it was NOT pinned: https://www.facebook.com/share/EdkzFv6nBVUA2qGv/?mibextid=oFDknk
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Glad to see him speaking up.
Disappointed to see riders without safety vests at Devon in the arena XC last night. Not a good look after just having a fatality.
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- Letâs be fair⊠It was HOT as hell here yesterday
- Most had not heard about Georgie yet
- Itâs not required for Arena Eventing
These are adults working with choices for themselves in hot weather inside of the existing rules.
Was it the most safety conscious display, maybe not. But then again the US Jumping team is sponsored by a helmet brand that has eschewed advances in safety at every turn because, (Paraphrased because re-reading the email every time makes me want to scream) âWe have the most popular helmetâŠwe donât need to change anything our clients buy it because weâre the top brand in sales.â
At some point the riders who are adults get to make the best decisions for their own comfort and welfare. You can always reach out through their reps or emails and ask them yourself why they didnât wear a vest.
Em
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I think if you have a following of younger riders that your personal preference has to go a bit out the window and you have to be a good roll model.
Comments were that the rounds were messy and scary last night, I didnât watch so I canât confirm but if that is the case then I think vests really should be mandatory for these events.
I can express my disappointment in their choices without having to hunt them down and blast them for it. Thatâs what the discussion forum is for 
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Expressing disappointment in adultâs decision making on social media if kind of a double edged sword. I mean where does it become bullying, unfair judgement, or the like when YOU (the offended) are not able to know all the details behind the decision made. Like why does Boyd (only mentioned as an example) have to wear a vest to please the âpublicâ if he had a sound reason for not wearing one?
And by extensionâŠwhy do his public actions outweigh the education that should come from the adults/mentors etc in the life of someone watching???
And to circle back and bring it relative to Georgie or anyone else on the thread, canât we remain able to discuss disappointment in their deaths and keep it about how to do better for us personally or the sports as a whole and not to point fingers and expect change in everyone we observe.
I donât want to see anyone abusing horses with a whip (OT), bit (ML) or excessive runs in a year (many).
But the way through for all of us is to not do those things OURSELVES and evoke change as you want to in our own lives. Not by forcing others to conform to our whims publicly because they have worn a pinque coat with a US flag on it.
Heroes donât always represent the ideals of the many.
Em
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It has nothing to do with âpleasing the publicâ and everything to do with being a good image for our sport and portraying and acting in a way that protects our sport and social licensing. Riders should be putting safety at the forefront of their minds imo.
I am not wanting to get into some internet battle over my singular thought on it though. These are my opinions only.
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The jump wasnât pinned. That is confirmed.
It was a quarter of a century ago, in the tests at TRL after the deadly 1999 season, that a âslow, rotational fallâ was identified as the most dangerous, with a 29% result of âserious injury or deathâ. From there, the pin/frangible technology was developed, specifically to mitigate the lethal trajectory of horse/rider in a slow rotational fall.
Here we are in 2024, not using the technology that we have to prevent the most deadly of eventing accidents.
WTF indeed.
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Will they now change the jump out and put the pins on it? When walking the course can these things be brought up and to who?
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At what point is it negligence on the part of the show to not be using existing technology that prevents these deaths?
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Riders, and Trainers.
I have not read all the posts in this thread, but I did catch a couple that are pointing to something which I think is very much part of the problem.
I think looking to the governing boards to âfix thisâ is way too simplistic. Jimmy Wofford wrote an article (which I think was in the Chronicle?) about what he saw as a part of the problem: ill prepared horses & riders. With the increased emphasis on dressage, and decreased emphasis on endurance, we are seeing riders climbing up the levels quickly, and, we are also seeing riders who are not allowing their horses to make some of the decisions when it comes to x-c. A horse will never choose to fall. Blaming the course designer, blaming the fence design, blaming the governing boards is missing a vital piece of the puzzle, and one of those pieces is rider error, tied in with rider + horse fitness and preparedness.
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