WTF Are We Doing?

Quote from Denis Glaccum

“November 3rd
Considerable concerns have been expressed over the perspective on Tamarack Farm FB. To Denny’s credit he has brought out many concerns. However, it appears that some responders are not aware of the many programs and procedures that have been implemented as well as the ongoing research and study groups here in the US and Internationally.
The fatality of a horse or rider at an event has comprehensive procedures. A Necropsy on any horse lost at an Event is performed and the report goes to Dr. Kathy Kohn who chairs the Cardiology Study. If jump related the USEF is notified IMMEDIATELY. All involved are interviewed. Jump Judges, witnesses, type of jumps with pictures and videos. All information sent to “USEF Safety Task Force” sub-committee. This committee compiles and reviews all available information and data. Their goal is to seek possible improvements to fence design, including shape, construction, presentation, how did the fall happen and what improvements can be made to prevent future falls. Similar intensive review is also done with a human fatality. There is also on- going, study at the Univ. of KY on all aspects of Jump design and construction.
Rider and Horse Safety is paramount in today’s Eventing World! Prior to the Event: All upper level events may be visited by a Course Advisor, a program sponsored jointly by the USEF and USEA. Preliminary Courses also chosen from TD and Officials report and rider input. All Advanced Courses are Inspected. Course Advisors make recommendations and if needed required improvements to the course.
Prior to the start of the Competition: (3pm prior to the first day of Competition) the TD having made their inspection of the Courses, reviews the courses with the PGJ (President of the Ground Jury). This must be done prior to the course being opened. Officials find the time to meet with the Rider Representatives who are appointed to act as liason for riders and to present concerns to the TD and PGJ. This Rider Representative Program came from an initiative of Denny’s. All competitors are encouraged to approach any official with questions and concerns.
Prior to the Competition start the TD reviews with the Organizer the Events “Safety Plan.” This plan covers all aspects of human and horse safety from a quality and quantity perspective. At a CIC there is a formal Safety Meeting with all officials participating in the meeting reviewing procedures for all aspects of horse and human safety.
At International Events a rider meeting is conducted. This affords the Organization the Officials, the Riders the opportunity to review important aspects and concerns. Competitors are encouraged to communicate.
At every event, TD’s are required to document all falls of horses or riders. All horses who fall and all riders are examined by medical staff before leaving the course. Riders can be prevented from riding additional horses. Veterinarians and medical staff are required to submit documentation on all horse and competitor’s examined and the status of any injury.
Eventing.Ireland.com has a write up on Equiratings who are leading the way with innovative data. I urge all to go on line to the USEF, USEA, Eventing Ireland, Equiratings, and the FEI and search out all the safety programs. GB has used famous race car drivers to consult about safety concerns.
During the last five years there has been and continuous to be steps forward in all of these area of concern.
More Importantly think of the impact all the members of Denny’s FB Page (62,000+) could make by writing out a ten dollar donation to the USEA earmarked to the various human, equine, and course studies all of which are underfunded. “REMEMBER YOU ARE EITHER PART OF THE PROBLEM OR PART OF THE SOLUTION”.”

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Princess Haya is a second wife, which, in that culture, makes her not much more than, well, whatever. Her husband the sheik is not divorced and the first wife has grown children older than her. Lots of them (I think 7). The princess oversaw the annual FEI meeting just weeks after giving birth to her first baby. That is a tough culture for a woman.

If the riders can’t even be persuaded to care enough for their lives in a rotational fall to use the EXO Vest, thereby keeping it in production, what real chance is there for the sport to make deep changes? Hell, the FEI won’t even require helmets in adult dressage, and many riders won’t use them voluntarily. One supposes they simply live with “it won’t happen to me.”

As to the princesses bit, Haya was a princess from birth. I’ve noticed that she accompanies her husband a lot to horse events whereas his first wife stays home.

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Sheikh Mohammed has something like six wives. The first wife - I think she has some official designation to denote that - has 12 children. She could do this because she started young, like as a teenager. And she’s her husband’s first cousin.

I’m sure she really, really wanted to get married as a teen to a much-older cousin and then have loads of kids. I’m sure she made all her own decisions about this because what sixteen year-old wouldn’t want to marry her older cousin and proceed to have a dozen children while her husband successively marries a half-dozen other women?

Princess Haya is a daughter of the late King Hussein of Jordan. FWIW, the royal women of Jordan have always maintained a modern public profile, are well-educated and see themselves as role models for Arab women. Although I’m not entirely sure how being someone’s sixth wife fits into this spirit of modernism.

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This is something I’ve thought about a lot. The EXO was a device that could save lives and it was rejected for all sorts of flimsy reasons.

But it’s ok for people to be stupid and invest in questionable technology (blow-up garments) over more sound ones. If you don’t wear a helmet, you know the risks, you live (or not) with them.

What I’m not okay with is the horse deaths because the horses - like Sheikh Mohammed’s first wife - have no say in the matter.

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Yes to this all.

We STILL see our governing bodies being sponsored by Point Two who still after all these years refuses to share data showing their vest is safe or does anything that the vest worn underneath can’t do. They don’t share it because they don’t have it.

Then we have riders praising these vests for saving their lives while wearing a traditional vest underneath but the air vest gets the credit. Because it’s a fad, and because it is falsely advertised.

Yet every event we see this vest pushed as the best thing in safety.

It is hard to take it face value when people say they want a safer sport yet support these novelties.

I also vote for Zara!!!

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It’s hard to take it at face value when people say they want a safer sport, yet pay ~$700 for an air vest but don’t donate to safety measures or cry foul if we want to increase entry fees to do so.

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But this is complicated. There are issues of trust and transparency.

You buy an air vest because you are trying to protect yourself.

Giving money to studies or ‘safety’ is a fine idea, but you give those funds to entities that perhaps you don’t entirely trust. You’re not entirely sure where the money is going or how it’s being distributed and how that translates into ‘safer’ eventing.

This is something that is a huge problem in the charity/non-profit sector – the most recent example would be with the Red Cross funds and the ebola crisis. Millions of $ are missing, presumably pocketed by people entrusted to use the money for ebola prevention/treatment. This is hardly an uncommon occurrence and it’s not just a third world problem. It’s a problem anywhere there are (1) humans and (2) money.

Entry fees are already too high. There’s all kinds of add-ons, for drug testing and associations and grounds fees, etc, not to mention annual USEF/USEA memberships. At some point, it’s too much. The idea of tacking on more money for ‘safety’ when really, we might first want to consider how to rebudget to make safety more important than, say, promoting the AECs.

But I do understand even misguided efforts to protect oneself from the uncertainties of eventing. In emergency services, the first thing you do when you arrive on scene is to protect yourself. Next, you make sure your partner is protected. Then you check the scene for safety. :slight_smile:

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This was reported not long ago. :frowning:
http://useventing.com/news/equine-fatality-pine-top-thanksgiving-horse-trials-training-rider-division

I just saw this on Facebook. Another horse gone too soon.

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I looked up this pair’s USEA record, and aside from one RF at their second event together, they didn’t have a single xc jumping fault (and hardly any stadium rails). And it looks like they’d been at this level for a year. So, it seems like they were doing everything right, and the horse was certainly a safe jumper on paper. So sad.

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The rider is just a kid:(.

I would be interested to see a picture of the jump. EN calls it a log hogs back, but it is listed as a log stack on my course walk. Pinnable?

This was once a friend’s horse. He was a wonderful boy with lots of eventing experience and enthusiasm. Very sad.

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Updated to add The Manx Man. RIP. This is heartbreaking.

I read online the horse flipped over twice. I would like to see a picture of this fence, I hope someone somewhere has one so we can see what might have happened here. This horse had a good strong xc record… this is hard to accept :frowning:

All information sent to “USEF Safety Task Force” sub-committee. This committee compiles and reviews all available information and data. Their goal is to seek possible improvements to fence design, including shape, construction, presentation, how did the fall happen and what improvements can be made to prevent future falls.

Surely they o this for all falls or near misses and not just fatalities? Because if the don’t that is… not a good study design. Or data collection program as it sounds like they actually don’t have a study design. The worst case scenario is maybe 1% of all accidents, you learn a lot more from the minor accidents and near misses.

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There are no pictures of this year’s course on mycoursewalk.com, but pictures are there of the 2015 and 2016 fences. I don’t want to make any guesses on here as to which fence it was, but you can use your own judgement.

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https://files.mycoursewalk.com/fimgs/133490/medium/IMG_2016-11-26_22.14.36__0000.jpg?1480266221

Looks like a portable hog’s back from 2016? This one looks pretty inviting and has a forgiving profile to my eye. Doesn’t lend itself to the currently available frangible technology except for the styrofoam Prolog system, now defunct?

I am so sorry for Avery and Toby’s connections.

I don’t see how it is even possible to flip twice unless maybe the mean it rolled over on the ground after the rotational. Either way, I am glad Avery is safe.

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If this is the fence, we need more answers. That fence looks inviting and like it should jump well.

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Yes that’s the fence I was thinking it likely was. And I agree it looks inviting. I wouldn’t be afraid to jump it.

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