12yo dog just started having seizures

12yo spayed female 1/4 shelti, 3/4 blue heeler I have owned since she was 7 weeks old. Only health problem has been chronic anal gland impaction resulting in both glands being removed, second surgery was over 2 years ago now. Otherwise she’s always been healthy–but incredibly timid/shy, frightened easily, just an all around sensitive, scaredy cat.

I think she had a seizure around July 1st. We were on vacation in the Northwoods, which was a new concept for her (vacation that is, I never go anywhere), but she was with familiar people and dogs, my immediate family whom with she is all familiar. Her and my other dog, much younger 2yo, were having a rip-roaring good time splashing and wading in the shallows of the lake and running up and down the shore and hill back to the cabin, under supervision but they lingered too long at the top of the hill. Everyone else headed out on the boat and I waved goodbye and went to go gather the dogs fro whatever they were up to at the top of the hill. I found her collapsed just off the trail, foam dripping out of her mouth, disoriented, but lucid. This scared me [omg!] and I went to approach her [omg pupper, what’s wrong?!?] and she growled at me–seemed to not recognize me. She has NEVER growled at me or anyone else in her life. This scared me and I ran my other dog back to the cabin, locked him up inside, ran back and she had fled down the trail back toward the lake. I persued, calling her but she was fleeing in fear, unable to recognize me. She got to the dock and jumped off in a panic and began swimming out into the lake [OMG]. I jumped in and swam after her [and thought this is how people drown–remember, I was totally alone in the backwoods at this point]. I caught up with her somewhere around the middle of the lake and grabbed her and she seemed to finally recognize me. I hauled her back to shore and carried her back to the cabin upon which she seemed 100% normal and fine. We were in the backwoods for another 6 days and she was fine, normal, no signs of any lingering issue and certainly no repeat of this episode. My family, who learned what happened upon returning from boating convinced me she was fine and perhaps had a panic attack. I was pretty sure it was a seizure but with no further symptoms we just let it go.

Well fast forward to yesterday she had another, full blown, at home, right in front of me. She rose from resting, wandering to the living room, collapsed flat out and classic seizure commenced. I was terrified and thought she was going to die. It lasted about a minute, maybe a minute and a half, long enough for me to run all over the house searching for the phone, dial the vet, and then she came out of it, again, disoriented, frightened, not recognizing me, for a few seconds–then anxious, restless, pacing, thirsty. About an hour later she was totally fine, had a short walk, dinner, begged for popcorn during Netflix & chill, and we had a peaceful night.

Vet this morning ran full cbc and 2 other specific blood tests found nothing remarkable besides minor elevated liver enzymes which vet thought was unrelated. Vet Rx’ed phenobarbital and milk thistle for her liver, recheck blood in 4 weeks, tweak phenobarbital, possible switch to different med she can stay on for life that is easier on liver. It’s a bit of a blur.

Upon returning home she had another seizure. It started in her head/face, lips pulled back, bitting at air, teeth chattering. She tried to come to me, got scared, staggered to living room and collapsed and went full blown, legs paddling, braced body, foaming mouth, defecating, head/neck shaking, hitting the floor. I petted her and scratched her back and said her name frequently and this one only lasted about 30 seconds and she came out of it faster/recovered to normal faster. I called the vet back and he gave me his cell # to call anytime and told me to start the phenobarbital immediately [was waiting for pm feeding as this was 2pm already].

I don’t know what I am looking for by posting except maybe other people who have been though this with their dogs. I have never had a dog that had a seizure. It’s really scary. She knows it’s coming and it frightens her, and it’s frightening me. I have another dog and he doesn’t understand. Thanks for reading.

I had an Aussie who suddenly started seizures • ultrasound … vet tht liver cancer • biopsy came back fine … long/ short was serious liver infection • antibiotics some hospital time during the day … home at night •
recovered completely …

JINGLES & AO

No experience with seizures in animals at all…

Wishing you and your pup all the best and hope this is remedied quickly.

I’m sorry about your dog. :frowning: :frowning:

Usually, at that age, you can rule out congenital abnormalities and epilepsy. So I’m not really sure that anti-seizure medications will be very effective.

Next step would be spinal tap or MRI of the brain, I think. Or even xray of the brain? Not sure if a tumor could be seen by xray but I think I’d rule out a brain tumor first since other bloodwork came back relatively normal.

One of the most terrifying things I have ever witnessed was my beagle, Timmy, having a seizure. It was pretty much what you described. I’m jingling for you and your pup. Keep us posted.

Sorry your dog is having seizures. They are very scary for both of you.
My Tibetan Terrier was 13 when she had a seizure on Thursday evening lasting about a minute. No foaming, thrashing only. Seizure ended leaving her temporarily confused. Friday she she appeared to return to normal and I stopped in at the vet’s office and spoke with her. When I said I wanted to keep her, vet gave me her personal home phone number in case it was needed. Well, I did. Saturday morning she had a second seizure that left her blind an deaf so I used the phone number–no choice.
After she passed I noticed her teeth, all of them, were brown something I never noticed ''Til then. I share your concern for your dog–not a good time for either of you.
Have you noticed the colour of her teeth? I think her seizures were age-related.

Our 1 dog woke us up with a seizure one night. She was 3 at the time. I called the vet , got her in and we did tests too which showed nothing. He said if she had at least 2 more we would need to start her on phenobarbital. She did have 2 more that day. Shorter than the previous ones and she seemed to come out of it and recognize me faster.

I kept her on the meds for only 1 week. It made her a neurotic mess and she wanted to eat and drink constantly and needed to go out at all hours. So I weaned her off over a weeks time.

It has now been 5+ years with no seizures and she is fine and healthy and happy. She did have one scary thing 2 years ago, where she woke from a nap and had a droopy eye, seemed disoriented , held her neck strangely and had trouble going down the porch steps ( try carrying an 80 pound dog up & down the stairs to do their business).

She was fine in about 24-36 hours. Nothing has happened since.

Is there any way she might have had a head injury sometime before the seizure? That was my vets best guess since we have horses, cows and goats with horns. Any one of those animals could have given her at least a glancing blow since she has access to all the pastures.

I know what you are going through and you have my sympathy. It was the scariest thing to go through. I hope she does get back to normal.

We had a lab who had terrible seizures. Was hospitalized twice for clusters that could not be controlled without some hardcore meds. The older the dog the more likely it is to be a structural issue versus classic epilepsy, in which case the traditional seizure meds may not be effective. An MRI would tell you for sure but they are not cheap. If it is structural they would likely have a different medical protocol.

With that said, given that you were out in the woods is it possible that she ate something toxic? You mention that the bloods were normal so guessing that was not the case, but there are things that can cause seizures so I thought I’d mention it.

I wish you luck. It’s a really tough thing to watch them go through. Hoping your pup improves.

No advice, just sympathy and hugs… My shepherd mix has had a few of them in the 7 years I’ve had her, they’re the rigid sort for a couple minutes, no foaming at the mouth but much disorientation afterwards. My vet advised NOT to treat unless she has them more frequently than once a month, which (thankfully) to my observation hasn’t happened. They are terrifying and heart-wrenching to watch. :cry:

Not a dog, but my nearly 7 year old cat also recently started having seizures. I have a thread on here about it - they diagnosed him with idiopathic epilepsy and he’s on phenobarbital and zonisamide. He had one, 8 days later a second, had an MRI which showed nothing out of the ordinary so they put him on phenobarb and he promptly started having cluster seizures every 5 hours or so. Two weeks of rushing him back to the emergency vet, then they put him on zonisamide as well as upping the phenobarb…no more full blown seizures, but a few smaller ones (with the growling and attacking). Then he stopped eating and two stays in ICU they finally had the best internal med vet on the case and she suggested a spinal tap … it turns out he has inflammation in his brain. It’s not the typical inflammation they see, so it could be auto-immune encephalitis, or it could be from a bacterial infection. Results are still pending on the toxoplasmosis testing.

They put him on clindamycin (best antibiotic for toxo in cats) and steroids, along with keeping him on the seizure meds. (They also inserted a feeding tube as he’d lost 1.5 lb and had none to lose to begin with) We had our one week check up yesterday - he’s been seizure free, he’s eating on his own (but hasn’t gained any weight yet), his blood work continues to be normal, but they’re happy with his progress. It took about 5 days of steroids for him to start being a cat and not a corpse. I could tell when the steroids wore off, he really needed them twice a day at first, and now we are fine with every 24 hours. He’s starting to act a bit more like his normal self, more active (starting to run and jump again).

I didn’t believe when they said it could be epilepsy last month, an otherwise healthy cat that old shouldn’t just develop epilepsy, but without him stopping eating the spinal tap wouldn’t have been done. They aren’t quite sure why his MRI didn’t show anything, so I might opt for an spinal tap first (and it is much less expensive). Or both at the same time, as they have to be under anesthesia for both tests.

I know how horribly terrible it is to experience, and being alone dealing with it. At least Cinders is an indoor cat, so I don’t have to deal with the swimming in the lake, etc. My heart goes out to you, but hopefully either the drugs will work or a test will show what the problem is. For Cinders, we will eventually taper the pred, and then start tapering the seizure meds…he may be able to come off all meds in a few months, or he may now be prone to seizures since his brain isn’t normal. AI found a feline epilepsy group, they probably have something similar for canines. They have been a wealth of knowledge and support through this as they have been there, done that with their cats and learned tricks to maybe make it a bit easier.

Best of luck to you.

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My 11 yr old dog started have seizures last Oct. We did chest exrays and her heart was enlarged. There was nothing we could do.

I would get some exrays to rule out things like that.

I hope your dog responds to the meds. Jingles and prayers.

I want to thank everyone for their replies to my post. It helps to read about other people’s experiences, both good and bad, considering how little I have first hand knowledge of a dog with a seizure disorder.

It’s been 5 days without another seizure–really since I started her on the phenobarbital she’s been “fine”. The med seems to have made her very thirsty and hungry too. She is drinking a lot more water and urinating frequently, though the increased thirst/subsequent urination symptoms seem most pronounced in the hours immediately following the dose.

But really so far so good. I know it’s been a short time but at least these is that. Knocking on wood.

If any one else has an experience to share, please do. The more I know, the better. Thank you.

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when my cavalier was 11 she started having Focal or partial seizures, which are no where near as bad to witness as what you are going through. My vet sent us to a neurologist. After examination he told me older dogs do not develop epilepsy and it was probably from a lesion somewhere in her <after blood work came back like yours> Phenobarb did not work, but Keppra did. She still got slight ones as she got older and the lesion probably did, too. I had to PTS at 15.2 months, not due to her seizures, just due to old age making her unable to walk well plus other age related maladies. Hope you have a good outcome! I decided against and MRI after discussing with vet, that it would not change her treatment and the cost was not something I could afford especially since treatment would be no different.

Sorry to hear about your dog. Best next step is to see a neurologist. Should determine idiopathic vs structural epilepsy. Both can be managed with an AED (and phenobatbital may not be the best choice based on already elevated liver values) but sometimes structural can benefit more greatly from steroids or antibiotics depending on the cause. An MRI will be required to rule out structural epilepsy.
If you decide to stick with phenobatb instead of another AED make sure you have the pheno levels and liver values checked at regular intervals. Good luck!