2 PLANES CRASHED INTO WORLD TRADE CENTER IN NY

[dodgegrrl]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JulieMontgomery:
Your comments were quite well put… unfortunately the posters who most need to take your post to heart most likely will breeze right over it… in their haste to have the last word on President Bush.

Even in a national crisis, you always have those who would be masters of nitpicking and semantics. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am clear in the fact that my job description will never include the phrase "Leader of the Free World, " however, if nitpicking means a need for more than 4 minutes of statements by President Bush, GET ME TO SOAPBOX.

Does anybody have any updates on Jr* or Inwhycee?

[Jair]

I’m going to wade in here a bit and give my view… I have to agree with Houdini and Velvet that compared to the British Prime Minister’s speech, Mr. Bush seemed, well, rather meek.

It was not what I as a Canadian was expecting from the President of the United States. Now that Military guy (is that Colin Powell?) boy, he made me sit up and take notice when he stated firmly that “the military was ready”!!!

Obviously there are things at work - I can’t imagine what Mr. Bush must be feeling, he is no doubt in shock as well, and I guess as much as he’d like to he just can’t go on international TV knowing full well the perpetrators would be watching and order the army to “kill the b*stards!”. I imagine he was supposed to show as much compassion as possible too for the people involved in the tragedy.

As someone above said, he is not an actor, but I think he could have showed a bit more strength in his expression, or at least used stronger words then referring to the terrorists as “folks”

[Kryswyn]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Smart Alec:

…wow, this is exactly what these terrorists wanted…to create a division between people and then bring us down. Let me be the first to congratulate those who are bickering and giving these faceless terrorists exactly what they wanted…(<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, Smart Alec, what the terrorists wanted was for each and every American to DIE. They wanted us all to suffer for living in this Land of Satan. They wanted us to be afraid, they way THEY are afraid; always looking over their shoulders wondering if THIS will be the day their secret life is exposed. Freedom of expression and the freedom to disagree is what is denied to terrorists. Can you imagine a soldier in the service of Osama bin Ladin saying, “You know, sir, I don’t think we should do it that way, we should do it my way instead.”? Heck no.

The bickering you see here, and even ClipClop’s (misguided IMHO) opinion is representative of what terrorists all over the world cannot tolerate and wish to eradicate. In a word, it is
FREEDOM.

~Kryswyn~
“Always look on the bright side of life, de doo, de doo de doo de doo”

[Everythingbutwings]

All the people being evacuated out of DC are stuck, the bridges are closed, I395 is shut down and the Metro is closed.

My brother in law called to say he is okay but can’t get out of the city so is going to a bomb shelter.

I am praying for everyone.

[Hopes_And_Dreams]

This is so awful! I cannot even put into words how I feel towards those terrorists, and the sorrow and sympathy I feel towards the victims and their loved ones. It is just sick. And did anyone else see when they showed the Palestinians having parties out in the streets afterwards?? How can people be so callous and cruel as to want to take it out on innocent people!? Its times like these that I really feel that people in general are useless and stupid. But of course, for every heartless person, there are hundreds of loving, caring people. I just can’t believe this is happening.

Off topic: LoriO- I think I know you! Actually, I’m pretty sure. If yu are who I think, this is Alyssa from Wedgewood! How’s Liz? Email me @ jmp4life@aol.com!

AlyssaC

[Houdini]

The use of “folks” stuck out so horribly. I was sitting on the couch watching these horrors and when he used the word “folks” I almost burst out laughing. I am most certainly not saying that just because he isn’t a good public speaker he wont make good decisions for the country. But I just couldn’t take him seriously when he used that word.

>>>“Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken”<<<

[jparkes]

ClipClop -
What makes America so great is it’s willingness to help anyone anywhere in times of need, whether it be humanitarian or defense. No other country can provide assistance to it’s allies like the U.S. We are a caring nation who hates evil and longs for justice even if it’s on foreign soil.
It’s sad to see such hatred from one of its’ own.

[dodgegrrl]

everybody: what about our Inwhycee?

[Midge]

ClipClop. YOUR country, which is YOU, has just been attacked! If you are called on to serve and don’t want to, MOVE!

And if we shot down a plane, isn’t it better than having it crash into the Pentagon, or the Capitol, or the White House or YOUR house???

[Lucassb]

So what would you propose? I agree, two wrongs do not make a right, but I also think that wrongs should not go unpunished. Innocent people have long been victims in war, and while that doesn’t make it OK, it does = reality.

I do not believe that the United States acts merely out of a desire to feel superior. Certainly we have substantial economic interests and we act to promote and defend them; this often angers other countries who seek the same advantage but who are perhaps without the ability to bring the same resources to bear in the competition. Certainly we have taken sides in certain conflicts where human rights issues have been central. Personally, I am fine with that approach and while I understand that there is a cost associated with such behavior, I also believe that isolationist behavior - withdrawing from world affairs - also has significant costs.
WWII offers a few pretty dramatic examples of that approach.

I understand you are opposed to armed conflict. What do you suggest instead?

[N_B_T]

Axiom:

“I may not agree with what you say, but I defend to the death your right to say it.”

1st Corollary

“If you make extreme or controversial statements, some people on the BB will, of course, disagree with you, perhaps vehemently.”

2nd Corollary

“But, if you make inflammatory statements directed at others personally in an obnoxious manner, expect that many people on the BB will nail you to the wall for it (the rest are biting their tongues really hard).”

Problem:

What kind of discussion or dialog do you really want to have here?

A) Negative, destructive, insulting, vitriolic, etc.

B) Postive, constructive, civil, enlightening, etc.

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Colin we know will vote for A ( xoxo NPF, welcome back, Colin).

I concurred with Worthy on another thread that I felt like hugging everyone I knew…however, now I feel like shaking some of you (in a loving and constructive manner of course ). I enjoy hearing everyone’s opinions, thoughts and feelings, but it’s very wearying trying to dig the substance of these out of extreme rhetoric…

As Jair and others have pointed out, everyone’s feelings are running pretty high. But please, let’s not continue to attack each other.

[HelloAgain]

is there any clarfication on reports out of Cleveland that one person alluded to?

[dodgegrrl]

CNN–Explosions in Kabul, Afghanistan.

TT my Dad who said that fighters are taking off from Dayton, Ohio producing sonic booms which skeeered everybody. Like we need more skeeery stuff.

Anyway, FWIW

[Jumphigh83]

Our freedom to stick around and love our horses and chant Koombyah is WHY we need to act with purpose and conviction to STOP this evil. To try to be all touchy feely and “two wrongs don’t make a right” is so off the point…We need to assert our world dominance and stop sitting on our wringing hands wondering HOW this could have happened!!! Our military has been severely compromized by the previous administration as has our standing in the world community. We need to LEAD not follow like pathetic sheep following the herd. Terrorists DO NOT understand hand holding and singing Koombyah…they HATE us…they will give their lives to see us suffer…they will stop at nothing to achieve their goals…WAKE UP AMERICA…We need to ACT like a leading world power and not a sniveling tree hugging group of flower children praying for love and peace. Talk softly and carry a BIG STICK>…And stop the stupid rhetoric about who did what to whom…We are Americans and we are not kissing anyones a$$…And yes I would not be sounding any different if it was my self, my husband, father, son, etc going to fight to preserve our precious freedom.

Betsy
Lead, follow, or get out of the way…

[jparkes]

…and we are very fortunate to have him a part of this current administration. Wasn’t he originally asked to be VP?

[Daphnes_hair_dresser]

I only heard that Camp david is under guard. I don’t think the president is there.

[Tin]

left school early to watch the news. This is just awful and surreal, I can’t even try to explain the feelings I’m having right now as I’m sure many share them with me.

I feel so helpless; like all I can do it sit here and wait and let what ever happen, happen. It’s an awful feeling however I can’t imagine actually being there or having loved ones in the NYC.

My friend was suppose to have been in NYC for the weekend and sometimes he stays there for a full week. I still haven’t been able to get a hold of him, hopefully he is safe in Toronto at work.

No more fancy free borders crosses anymore, full car checks are in effect and expected to carry on for a long time even when all of this is over (if it ends). My dad works at a new station and their live by truck almost didn’t get acroos the border because one of the camera guys didn’t have his visa with him (they had to turn back and get it).

This is just so devistation and unbelievable, almost like I’m watching a movie. What the hell is this world coming to that we have to kill 10’s of thousands of inocent people to prove a point or show dominance, I thought we had evolved.

My prayers go to Barbara Olsen’s husband, her bravery helped us put a little of the puzzle together and I do believe one of her last things to say was “tell me what to do”.

[Coreene]

As for airport security, everyone will get used to checking in two hours before very soon. And having all suitcases xrayed not once, but twice, etc etc etc. Forgoing convenience for safety is no longer a concept, it must be reality.

[DMK]

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HATTIE:
but how fortunate are we that he is Secretary of State!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dunno, Hattie… I hear that the VP job is quite the position of power…

But I’m pretty darn glad he is the SoS.

[Blue_Devil]

Please let us know how you are doing.

I’m thinking of JR*, Weatherford, AHC, NewYorkCityRider, and everyone else who may live there or be visiting.

Jr* how are the children of NYC coping?

Emily proud
member of the junior clique!
Emily@catchride.com