2 PLANES CRASHED INTO WORLD TRADE CENTER IN NY

The older I get, the more I revel in the basic freedoms that this country offers.
I protested the Vietnam War and went to jail briefly for my views.
But I didn’t get shot and I didn’t get exiled Siberia and I still got a decent education.
And more than that-the people of America stopped an unjust war.
Yes, we’ve done horrible things.
But I just don’t know any better form of government. And refusing to kill for your country does not preclude dying for your country.
There are 'fates worse than death."

And JulieM-while I’m on a tear here- I take umbrage with your tone-I think you’re spoiling for a fight and flapping flags at bulls.
Not nice.

Since Tuesday morning I have been too deeply touched by the events taking place in the United States to post more than a few brief comments on this BB.

I can’t tell you guys how much it upsets me to open these last pages on this thread to read about these kinds of disagreements.

We don’t all have to agree. In fact the world is a much better place for it.

Congress is playing nice. Can’t we?

WHY!!! It’s so damn senseless!!! Early reports is that one of the planes was a hijacked American Airlines plane that was enroute from Boston to Los Angeles.

By Predient Bush not going back to the White House, it symbolizes a victory for terrorism!

Barb,

Your husband was on my mind all night while I was at work. I’m glad to hear that he made it home. I looked at my officer’s this morning at the shift change and thought how lucky I was to know that they are all going home safe today. My heart breaks for all those NY dispatchers who will never hear some of those voices again.

I was just waiting for someone to say it for me …and you put it exactly as I would have liked to have done! Freedom comes at a great price.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kryswyn:
War is terrible. That’s what makes it a thing to be avoided. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A price is paid by someone or many someones when a nation goes to war. And it is a terrible event and this particular war is going to cause many to lose their lives which saddens me no end,

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My parents fought in WWII. My oldest brothers were involved in the Viet Nam War; the youngest had a low draft number and signed up for the Navy making it a career for almost 30 years now. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My father was a naval aviator for 30 some odd years. He never went to Vietnam so the horrors of being on the front lines are not ingrained in his memories. My father in law was involved on the front lines of World War II. Listening to both men, I hear the same goals with different perspectives.

<BLOCKQUOTE class=“ip-ubbcode-quote”><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>He’s fresh out of boot camp, and I can tell you this - right now he is so glad that when the President gives the order, he will be in a position to defend this country.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My 12 year old son desparately wants to join up and fight for his country. As his mother, I don’t like the idea, but as an American, I understand the reasons why. He is convinced the special forces such as the Navy Seals and Green Berets will be the ones to smoke out those who are behind the atrocities.

There are so many opinions and ideas out there which, thankfully, are allowed to be said without fear of retribution, regarding how America should go forward to rid the world of terrorism. I have adopted the wait and see attitude and have kept myself informed by reading interviews and other news articles about the players in this.

After watching the Vice President, Dick Cheney, yesterday, I have come to the conclusion, he is one tough/smart s.o.b. (and I mean that in the kindest sense of the word). No doubt in my mind that with Cheney and Powell (despite past stuff)–those 2 will determine the fate of those who committed the attacks.

I did not lose anyone last Tuesday, but I came close for my lawyer friend could have been in the federal courthouse. I found her later online and the sense of relief was overwhelming.

I am still headed to Europe on Oct 17, I cannot let someone else control or determine my life’s destinations.

All aircraft traffic nationwide has been shut down. Some Palestinian group is now claiming responsibility

Hair Dresser… how would Bush going back to a very prominent target (basically shouting “here I am ya’ll!”) be better than keeping the leader of the free world safe and in protection? Even if you don’t like him personally, please consider all the brave secret service and military members who protect him on a daily basis and would be putting their lives in danger. I don’t get how you think that his actions are a victory for terrorism. Please explain.

IMHO, all standing US flags need to be lowered to half mast immediately… for the heroes and the victims.

If Dressage is a Symphony… Eventing is Rock & Roll!

My impression of his speech presentation (Not the content) was that he looked like a Saturday Night Live skit.

Petty, but that was my first impression. I made certian to listen carefully to what he said but I agree with Velvet. He has many speechwriters and more than likely selected last nights from several choices. Too bad for him that Bill Clinton was such an outstanding orator. It must be difficult for anyone to follow that.

It’s just been disturbing to read some of these posts mocking our counrty and leadership especially at this time of great crisis.

possible 2nd explosion at the pentagon

And really hope he doesn’t describe the terrorists as “Those folks” again.

We have an open society, it is difficult to imagine how we can live with the freedoms we so enjoy and still prevent an occurance like today from happening on level of such magnatude.

I, for one, will never complain again about getting to the airport an hour and a half prior to a flight or of having my bags inspected thoroughly.

Hindsight hopefully will lead to a means of prevention. Our nation mourns.

penny-ante bickering right now.
One of our rights as members of this republic is the right to criticize our leaders.
This may strike many-including me-as a trifle premature and petty. So be it.
However, to sink to the nasty level of Clinton-this Bush-that of some posters is ridiculous. Stick to the issues, please.

I have no idea if this indeed WAS published in a Canadian paper, nor do I know if the author was indeed NOT a United States resident. I offer it only for what it is worth:

"This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
America: The Good Neighbor.
Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a
Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

'This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United tates that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I’d like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don’t they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American dechnocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again.
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced
to the Americans in trouble? I don’t think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I’m one Canadian who is tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those.’

OMG what is happening to this world? ! ?

Several explosions are happening in DC! One of the WTC buildings has collapsed, a car bomb outside the State Dept and ON AND ON!!!

We are under terrorist attack according to President Bush…

“Come hup you hugly beast!” Surtees

My Uncle’s lawfirm is about 1/2 a block away from the Pentagon. He got back to his apartment, but he’s stuck in the city. My Grandmother, who rarely drives, lives about 5 miles away from the Pentagon and she was out in DC today at the DMV. My Mom was panicing because she couldn’t get ahold of her but all is fine now. My Dad works in the Respotiory Care department at Fair Oaks hospital, and we’ve only talked to him once today at about 10ish. They had just had an Emergency meeting, and were expecting a code orange to be called soon. He might have to go out to the Pentagon . My neighbor’s husband is a piolit for American and she was horrified because his plane was in the air. It was coming from Germany and landing at Washington. His plane was one of the 22 International flights still in the air. He landed safely in Nova Scota about 30 mins ago. Thank Goodness.

My thoughts and Prayers are with everyone and their famlies. What a horriable horriable thing!

.:*Chelsea & Sonnet *:.
But we can’t forget Kudos - The wonder pony!

Velvet:
Maybe you ought to run for office - you seem to have all the answers!

Would you move out of your house just because you think it needs some improvement? “Gee, honey, don’t you think we ought to install a better drain in the basement?” “Get out! Move down the street if you don’t like it!”

Good grief, I am so appalled at the nastiness of some people. Yup, we all fight for freedom of opinion, as long as those opinions do not in any way contain a critique of the status quo. What a noble ideal. The land of the free-to-agree-with-me.

I personally could do without all the nationalist flag-waving right now. I think it cheapens the deaths of thousands of very real people. The focus ought to be on tracking down the organization which coordinated the attack and dealing with them appropriately, along with remembering and respecting the victims. Garish displays of “we’re so great” seem out of place to me.

That is IT! I can’t believe this. My uncle that I have never met has just come in last night, thank goodness he had a flight last night. But my aunt was supposed to come tonight and now I may not get to meet her. My heart goes out to all those who have lost loved ones. But we all have lost something in this, and I hope we find who is responsible and that Bush does 'em in. Wish I was still in the Marines, I would go squash them myself!!!

My 1966 Chevy Truck kicks butt!!!