2 riders, 1 horse if going HC?

[Pansonfyre]

Convoluted question, I know…

My farm is only going to 3 events this summer. I can’t make the first 2 as I’m of town, and the last show (rec. Horse trial) is on a weekend where I have a wedding (4pm Sat).

Typically this show’s schedule goes: Dressage late morning, XC is mid-day Saturday, and Sunday morning is stadium. My last ditch idea: If I show hor concours, so my score won’t count, can I show dressage, my riding friend shows XC, and I show Stadium on Sunday?? I might even be able to ride the XC, it just really depends on how late Sat. my ride time will be. But I won’t have any idea until I sign up and pay

I don’t care about the scores because I’m just doing this for fun and I want my guy to do at least one show this summer. If this isn’t do-able, I guess I could have my friend just show my horse, but since I can make 2 of the 3 phases for sure, I’d love to do it.

Has anyone done this? I know I can call the show secretary, etc., but I feel silly asking.

[Beam_Me_Up]

I would be really surprised if that flew at a rec show.

Probably in your shoes I would ask to go as early as possible within your level on Sat (being willing to go HC will help you here, as then you could ride with any division). You could also inquire before entering whether this was reasonable (to enter your level and ride xc by X time).

[faybe]

[QUOTE=Beam Me Up;8197422]
I would be really surprised if that flew at a rec show.

Probably in your shoes I would ask to go as early as possible within your level on Sat (being willing to go HC will help you here, as then you could ride with any division). You could also inquire before entering whether this was reasonable (to enter your level and ride xc by X time).[/QUOTE]

This. Or ask if you can ride HC and just do a combined test. Your horse won’t get to run xc, but at least you’ll get to get out and ride.

[Pansonfyre]

Thanks BMU and faybe. Both of your suggestions are great. I will call the event host and ask if either scenario would be possible. I’m in the lowest group as we’re fairly new to eventing, so maybe they’ll pity me. The worst they can say is “no”. Thank you!

[ACMEeventing]

Faybe has probably the best idea. Hope it works out for you, going to a show is such a blast!

For posterity, I perused the rule book and quoted the applicable portions below. HC entries are still bound by all the same rules so I can’t imagine they would let 2 riders flip-flop (and an ugly ding on your record if someone were to try it and get caught).

6. “HORS CONCOURS” ENTRIES. Competitors may enter horses “hors concours” with the permission of the Organizer. They will pay the regular entry fee, will be judged in the normal manner, and will be participating in accordance with these rules, but they will not be counted in the final classification.

a. It is forbidden, under penalty of disqualification, for anyone other than the competitor who will ride the horse in the competition to school the horse during the competition. This period of restriction begins at 3:00 pm of the day prior to the start of the entire competi- tion.

EV117 Disqualification

1. Disqualification means that a competitor and his horse(s) may not take further part in the Event. It is applied at the discretion of the Ground Jury.
2. Ground Jury may disqualify a competitor in the following cases when, in its opinion, the action constitutes unsportsmanlike or abusive conduct:
   a. Allowing anyone other than the competitor to school his horse, EV108.2a.

[Lusoluv]

At the last show I spectated at, a few riders who got eliminated in dressage or xc asked show management if they could still ride the remaining phase/s for training purposes. Their scores didn’t count, but since they had paid to show, make the trek, etc. they were allowed to continue. I’m sure there have also been times when someone missed 1 phase (heat illness, nerves, late, whatever), and have begged out of a portion of the show, right?

[KayBee]

[QUOTE=Lusoluv;8197879]
At the last show I spectated at, a few riders who got eliminated in dressage or xc asked show management if they could still ride the remaining phase/s for training purposes. Their scores didn’t count, but since they had paid to show, make the trek, etc. they were allowed to continue. I’m sure there have also been times when someone missed 1 phase (heat illness, nerves, late, whatever), and have begged out of a portion of the show, right?[/QUOTE]

If it’s a Technical Elimination, the TD can allow you to continue HC (I think it’s more likely in this scenario). Eg, if all 4 legs leave the ring in dressage; if you miss the finish flags in [whichever jumping phase you’re doing first].

But if you get eliminated for some other reason (due to cumulative refusals in the first jumping phase), then the TD likely (will definitely?) not let you continue on to the next phase.

[Lusoluv]

Well, I’m sure all shows are different, but in the show I saw recently, 2 riders had a refusal and then a spinout on XC. Both came off unhurt, but were eliminated. Both were allowed to SJ the next morning, HC of course. It was a rated USEA show. 1 rider was starter novice, one was BN.

[fooler]

[QUOTE=Lusoluv;8198693]
Well, I’m sure all shows are different, but in the show I saw recently, 2 riders had a refusal and then a spinout on XC. Both came off unhurt, but were eliminated. Both were allowed to SJ the next morning, HC of course. It was a rated USEA show. 1 rider was starter novice, one was BN.[/QUOTE]

HC can only be assigned at entry, not in the middle of the competition. Based on your post - the two competitors were eliminated but given permission, by the President of the Ground Jury to compete in SJ. The score sheet should have read Elimination due to Rider Fall.

FYI - competitors eliminated in SJ who request and are given permission to ride XC are instructed to leave the course immediately if they have a stop or have difficulty with control.

[Lusoluv]

Yes, fooler, you are correct in the way you explained it. The 2 riders went to the show secretary office after their XC mishaps to get permission to continue riding at the HT, but they were eliminated from the competition. Scores didn’t count, and there was an E next to their names on the posted score sheets. The order was Dressage - XC - stadium.

[Janet]

[QUOTE=KayBee;8198280]
If it’s a Technical Elimination, the TD can allow you to continue HC (I think it’s more likely in this scenario). Eg, if all 4 legs leave the ring in dressage; if you miss the finish flags in [whichever jumping phase you’re doing first].

But if you get eliminated for some other reason (due to cumulative refusals in the first jumping phase), then the TD likely (will definitely?) not let you continue on to the next phase.[/QUOTE]
If you have been eliminated in one phase, you can request permission to participate in subsequent phases. It is entirely at the discretion of the Organizing Committee and the Ground Jury (or the TD if the GJ has delegated that authority to the TD).

I have officiated at competitions where only TEs were allowed to continue, and at other competitions wher Rider Falls were allowed to continue.

b. The Ground Jury, in consultation with the Organizing Committee, may, if requested,
permit a competitor who has been eliminated in an earlier Test to take
part in the subsequent Test(s). After elimination in any previous Test, any competitor
who starts a subsequent Test without such permission will be liable to disciplinary
action, including a reprimand and/or a fine of up to $100. payable to the
Organizing Committee