2*-S and 2*-L XC observations

Something I’ve noticed at the past few shows that I find interesting:

The fall Morven HT Preliminary division ran the same XC course as the 2*-S. They did not offer a 2*-L.

The Virginia Horse Trials this past weekend, which has both a 2*-S and 2*-L, ran the same XC course for both levels.

This is a pretty big difference! If you had done the 2*-S at both shows there was a huge variance in difficulty. The most difficult combinations at Morven would have been by far the easiest ones at VHT.

This is not a complaint or a negative comment, I’m just noting that it is curious to me how different the same level can be.

The 2S and 2L at VHT were the same length?

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wasn’t the fall at Morven during schooling and not the competition? or are we talking about 2 different falls?

The optimum time for the VA 2L was 7:37 and the 2S was 5:31…how were they the same course?

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As the co-organizer of VHT, I can assure you that the 2* S and 2* L were not the same tracks. They were similar until the second water where the L went out on a long loop including a coffin and a corner combo that the S bypassed and did a much shorter loop.

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I believe “fall” in the OP refers to autumn, not a fall as in falling down.

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Thank you. I found it impossible to believe that they were the same length!

Ah ha. Thanks.

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Keep in mind the current CCI-S is equivalent to the old CIC, which has always been an “international horse trial.” Basically the same HT run under FEI rules; the xc MAY be slightly more difficult than the national HT (the old “CNC”), but not always.

A CCI, now CCI-L, has always been a “Three Day Event”…meaning a longer, more challenging course requiring more fitness, experience, and qualifications. It’s “the big one” at the end of the season. Used to be R&T and steeplechase for a proper endurance day. But, yeah.

Current FEI suckitude is making less and less distinction between horse trial and Three Day. CICs (err, CCI-s) are just very expensive mandatory qualifier horse trials, not really anything to get excited about. The way I understand it, I believe the CIC concept was initiated to provide an international standard, so that less-popular countries (like Russia, small Euro nations, South American countries, etc) would be better prepared for a championship CCI. Their national competitions weren’t up to standard and they weren’t safe going to CCIs off their local HTs. Thus requiring CIC completions, guaranteeing experience at a corresponding level, made the competitors better prepared. This was/is less necessary in US, GBR, and other robust eventing nations where our local HTs are up to snuff. But, we all must suffer the quals for the lowest common denominator. And the FEI certainly likes taking our money by dipping into lower levels and requiring more FEI qualifiers. (Back in the long format days, FEI didn’t care about one stars, and left it to national federations to set qualifications. 4 clear HTs and you were good to go. Didn’t used to need a passport at 2star, either. FEI was primarily concerned with 3*/4* levels.)

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I meant “fall Morven HT”, as in the season.

But to answer your question, yes the fatality was schooling after the show.

Thanks! I ran the course (on foot) and did not notice a difference, but clearly was not paying well enough attention. That answers that, then!