2 wheel vs. 4 wheel

Actually its not wuite that formal
Metal work on the carriage should match metalwork on the harness
therefore if you have brass harness fittings, it is appropriate to have brass fittings on the carriage
Similarly if the carriage is white metal then the harness should be too.

Black is always appropriate, but natural brown leather was often used in the country to hide the dust of country roads. In this case it was more appropriate to use with country styled vehicles, which were generally natural wood finishes and usually with brown leather trim pieces to match the harness. That is not to say that a brown harness would not have been used with a black trimmed vehicle - as long as the formality was appropriate. The trim color usually extended to the color of the carriage undercarriage metalwork as well. Typically these would be painted brown to complement the harness.

In todays world the same rules do not necessarily apply. Many people are choosing a brown harness or a brown & black harness for everyday use. This does not mean that their vehicle must be turned out with brown pained springs and brown leather shaft covers etc. Many modern vehicles rely heavily on stainless steel and wild colors anyway, so either the black or brown leather becomes a neutral. Harnesses are also often tricked out with color accents for less formal competitons.

Where you need to fit with the epitomy of tradition is in the pleasure show ring of the top class (ie Walnut Hill, Villa Louis, etc) In these such shows, its the detail that matters.

I owned the Phaeton Show Cart that you posted a photo of. It is a replica of an antique carriage, and is being produced by by Miller & Sons here in Michigan. I purchased it as a show only vehicle and enjoyed many wonderful drives and show wins with it. I used a gig harness saddle too. Mine was done very traditional as I show alot in the pleasure ring. Body was black, running gear very dark green with straw striping, wheat upholstery tufted with a drop apron and a wedge, patent fenders and dash, brass metal black carpet.

It was a lovely vehicle that road well, was easy for me to load and unload myself from the trailer and even made it to Walnut Hill in 05. Sadly the vehicle didn’t really fit my horses well enough and was before Menno added the adjustable seat option so I sold it to a client that has enjoyed it with her Morgan cob for several years.

I have a stained/varnished road cart that I use for conditioning, training, club drives, and some low level shows. It is easier to maintain then a painted vehicle and just at nice a ride as the show cart.

Thomas
I LOVE your spindle seat gig. Have you ever shipped any of your carriages to the US?

Denise

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Thomas
I LOVE your spindle seat gig. Have you ever shipped any of your carriages to the US?

Denise[/QUOTE] Thank you and no I’ve not but I’ll do anything for money :winkgrin:

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…but I’ll do anything for money :winkgrin:[/QUOTE]

ANYTHING??? :winkgrin:

With a russet harness…I believe your metalwork should be painted brown and your trim brass, not chrome?

I might be wrong…but I don’t think so.

Well, you might be. Before ordering the cart, I conferred with both Greg Hunt and Sterling Graburn at Live Oak. I knew I wanted russet harness with white fittings and a natural cart with white fittings and lamps. They both said that the metal on the cart painted black would be fine. I usually show CD’s, but this year showed at the Florida State Fair under John Greenall and Gloria Austins’s pleasure show under Diana Brownlie from England. I placed in both turnout classes.

That’s the fun of driving, 3 people, 5 opinions…of course, I showed hunters in a sewn-in bridle with a sandwich in the box.

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Did you get it from Country Carriages USA?

Seriously, I’m leaning this way, even though I like the look of the Show Cart better. I’m just worried that I will get the Show Cart all nasty and marred up, and I’ll have to buy a jog cart / training cart to use every day and keep the Show cart just for show, LOL…Eeeek. I can see how these vehicles multiply![/QUOTE]

I am a devoted 2 wheeler! I mostly drove on trails and I can’t imagine driving this country cart on the trails I drove on. I prefer something closer to the ground and I always used a jog cart (although I bet I will be shopping around to see what is new).

It might not be that expensive to pick up a used cart for trails and then just get the show cart of your dreams. :wink:

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ANYTHING??? :winkgrin:[/QUOTE] If the price is right :winkgrin:

Over here you wouldn’t never ordinarily show in anything other than a black harness with brass fittings.

The likes of white metal and steel only be considered for Trade classes.

For a grey horse, rather than black I think a very dark blue or burgandy carriage looks extremely good.

Really? I’d rather have a black harness with chrome/silver fittings…Is that okay???

^ Depends if you’re intending to bring the equipage over to show in England :wink:

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^ Depends if you’re intending to bring the equipage over to show in England ;)[/QUOTE]

Uh oh. What is equipage??? I understand that black/brass is more traditional…but PERSONALLY I think black/chrome LOOKS better on a grey.

Any thoughts on that?

equipage = a horse drawn carriage with its attendants

I’m just a traditionalist so for me its going to be brass fittings… ALWAYS

I’ve seen some beautiful multi-plated gold fittings that were stainless underneath for strength…they never needed to be polished, just cleaned…the same technology is used for very high-end door fittings.

johara –

Black harness with chrome/stainless works just fine over here as long as it matches the hardware on your carriage.

I can guarantee you the Arabian sporthorse folks won;t be a picky at the judges Thomas shows under!!!:slight_smile: They will be looking at your horse mostly.

Russet looks lovely on a gray horse I think.

Here is a link to a photo of a grey in russet with brass. Photo was taken at Walnut Hill.
http://www.drivingessentials.com/harness_essential_plus.htm

How soon do you need to have a cart? If you can wait until April you may want to drive down in visit the Martin’s Auction, I head prices were quite low at the California one http://www.martinauctioneers.com/auctions.htm?az_feed_pos=http%3A//www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/auctionview.cgi%3Flid%3D366826%26feed%3D129%26group%3D0%26kwd%3D it looks like there are a couple of road carts consigned already.

Thanks Renae, for checking in here!

To the other comment made, the judges at the Arab shows still have to be USEF sanction in the Carriage driving division, I believe. So they may just as hard as some of those at the ADS shows :slight_smile:

I don’t have to have the cart until end of July, so I definitely have time…but will NOT be able to go to Martins because I’ll be at a HORSE SHOW! LOL…

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Thanks Renae, for checking in here!

To the other comment made, the judges at the Arab shows still have to be USEF sanction in the Carriage driving division, I believe. So they may just as hard as some of those at the ADS shows :slight_smile:

I don’t have to have the cart until end of July, so I definitely have time…but will NOT be able to go to Martins because I’ll be at a HORSE SHOW! LOL…[/QUOTE]

Well maybe you will just have to chnage which horse show you come to. The Mason-Dixon Morgan/Arab show will be at the Quentin Riding Club that same weekend, which is basically in the same town. You could get your Region 15 qualifications :slight_smile: And Mason-Dixon has a full sport horse schedule, in hand, under saddle, over fences, dressage and carriage driving, its a nice little show.

Its really a helpful thread for me. But i want to know about the budget. Is it possible to buy the wheeler under $1000.

that post is 10 years old, so probably not too helpful (and Thomas is long gone). You might want to join some facebook groups like Carriage Driving Classifieds, CDE & Pleasure Driving Buy, Sell, & Learn or Frey Carriage Company Driving Resources and Classifieds to get a feel for the prices of vehicles