Does anyone know exactly how many HH Arrogate is?
TIA! 
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I must have missed the rumors that Stellar Wind and Lady Eli would be pulled unless Keeneland asked them to be left in until the last minute for the âhypeâ. I get entering them in the event they retire early unless you are really wanting to go for the cr*pshoot that you donât know for sure until after BC. Can you supplement the ârightâ horse to this sale say, a few weeks before?[/QUOTE]
Both owners had articles out there with quotes saying theyâd run the horses next year unless something went wrong. Keeneland has a pretty strict entry deadline unless itâs something really, really special but Fasig takes November entries at the last minute (they were taking them until yesterday this year).
Uncle Moâs fee for 2017 has doubled over this year to $150K :eek:
Also of note, APâs fee is private for 2017 although it sounds like many breeders who paid $200K for this year disclosed theyâd gotten a two fer .
As noted Frosted to Darley for $50K.
I congratulate Chrome on his brilliant run, but IMO his team became way too cocky. I have always liked Art Sherman, but even he had changed. Read his comments pre-Breeders CupâŠ
Victor has become absolutely insufferable and disrespectful, between posing on Zenyattaâs statue, trash talking about Baffert to the media, putting down the Triple Crown winner because he had a falling out with the team, etc.
I was all for Arrogate - I wanted to see him win just because I wanted to see if he could do it after that Travers run. I like Chrome - Iâm not a Chromie but he is a fantastic horse, truly. I was upset that Chrome lost for one reason only - Art Sherman. I mean the guy has won nearly everything else with the horse, but I wouldâve liked to see him win that too. He deserved it.
Victor on the other handâŠI really liked him after he won the Derby with American Pharoah and I followed him in FB for awhile. I even watched him on Dancing with the Stars, where he put up with a heck of a lot of foolishness (he was well paid, Iâm sure). But after thatâŠsomething changed. He was clearly into marketing himself any was possible. I canât blame the guy for wanting to make money but he started to use the horses as money-making instruments rather than actually having any interest in them as animals and individuals. I think he may always have been that way and hid it better before the TC, I donât know. It didnât go over that well with me, and then the whole shebang with Baffert and Zayat really took him down. I was so annoyed at him for saying Chrome was the best horse he ever rodeâŠrepeatedly. Pharoah never got the chance to prove himself at 5, and was clearly the better of the two at 3.
For a guy lucky enough to win the TC on a truly great horse, Iâve found his attitude slightly baffling and disappointing.
Anyway, jockey irritation aside, I was happy to see Arrogate win and wouldâve been happy for different reasons to see Chrome win.
Also - fell in love with Highland Reel. I wanted Found to win, but gawd Highland Reel is just GORGEOUS.
++ on the Espinoza comments and Highland Reel. I wanted Found to win but Highland Reel is definitely a looker
And I would agree. Hard to know what AP would have done as a 4 year old but the repeated comments that Chrome was the best ever was a bit over the top IMO.
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I really donât see the alleged Chrome fans hating on Arrogate. I see a lot of âwhat have you done for me latelyâ people actually touting Arrogate for HOTY, which is bizarre. Take a breath: heâs a gangly late-blooming three year old in the first crop in years that actually deserves to be called weak or light (the early classic winners this yearâŠthe best you can say came out of the TC this year was Gun Runner), whose only two notable wins are one age-restricted stakes against said light crop and by a neck to an older horse giving him four pounds.
Thereâs a lot less Chrome-fan hate on Arrogate (I donât hate him, he just hasnât done enough yet for me to climb on his bandwagonâif he runs the next year or so and wins more unrestricted G1s without weight-for-age advantage and stays sound, okay, but heâs an Unbridledâs Song so Iâm not holding my breath on that last and canât blame Baffert for going at glacial speed with him, and hey, he was slightly a bigger payout) than there are people who have this irrational hangup about Chromeâs âconnectionsâ or who want to call a neck victory a blowout. (If I can cheer for Middle Eastern potentatesâs horses, I can handle just about anything.) Take four pounds off Chrome or add four to Arrogate and the 1-2 results flip. And either way, they were BOTH still ten in front of everything else. Iâm kind of torn whether Found should have tried dirt after all, or if either way sheâd have wound up way back chasing a huge gapâŠ[/QUOTE]
I respectfully disagreeâŠI too have seen all the hate from die-hard âChromiesâ not only for Arrogate, but for any horse that beat ChromeâŠTonalist, Shared Belief, you name itâŠand for AP, who did what Chrome could not.
Itâs silly, as all of the horses are worthy of respect IMO. But itâs not worth splitting hairsâŠI just scroll right past them. 
I saw this quote from Bob Baffert on Arrogate and just thought it was heartwarming:
âI saw him this morning, gave him a carrot, and thanked him. I told him American Pharoah is proud youâre sleeping in his bed.â
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I saw this quote from Bob Baffert on Arrogate and just thought it was heartwarming:
âI saw him this morning, gave him a carrot, and thanked him. I told him American Pharoah is proud youâre sleeping in his bed.â[/QUOTE]
I really like Baffert. He just seems like a truly decent, genuine person from everything Iâve seen.
