24 yr old adoptee?

Friend of mine has an opportunity to adopt a free, 24 year old Hanoverian gelding. Horse was well known on the circuit at home. She’s looking to ride casually, trails and lower dressage 1-2 days per week. Horse is not a bad fit for her - if he was 10 years younger, there would be no hesitation.

Horse is sound. Owner is moving across the continent and does not want to haul the old man. I personally think Owner just wants to unload the pending vet bills as he gets up there in years.

WWYD? Friend has the ability to retire on property if necessary.

I say arrange a free lease or wait and find something younger. However, my personal experience with that ended up with a retired 10 year old so… :lol:

At least check for metabolic problems like Cushings, those can be a deal breaker sooner rather than later.
They can be a slow, heartbreaking downward spiral.
Ok if she is fine with that, if not, maybe pass.

At 24, he may be fine for some more years, our old man was, but then “stuff” will start coming up, no question at that age, when with a younger one your chances are you will have more time with him.

Around here, many old kid’s horses keep being passed on to the next little kid and they seem to last forever, but the level of comfort with using gimpy horses, under vet care, is more than an adult would accept.

No easy answers there, each one’s comfort level with a horse going downhill is different, as our vets tell us.

Since the “price” is right, why not spring for a full PPE-type exam by her vet?

If all checks out I’d expect she could get at least 10 more years of gentle use before horse developed any issues that would affect riding.
Even then, if she is content to hop on & do very little - say a Walk-Only ride, it could work.

Would she be okay with a pasture ornament?
If yes, then giving the old guy a soft landing would be nice.
If she wants more, then look for a teenaged horse.
But even then, being horses, “stuff” happens.

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Since the “price” is right, why not spring for a full PPE-type exam by her vet?

If all checks out I’d expect she could get at least 10 more years of gentle use before horse developed any issues that would affect riding.
Even then, if she is content to hop on & do very little - say a Walk-Only ride, it could work.

Would she be okay with a pasture ornament?
If yes, then giving the old guy a soft landing would be nice.
If she wants more, then look for a teenaged horse.
But even then, being horses, “stuff” happens.[/QUOTE]
I think the thought of riding a 34 year old is a bit of a stretch if he even lives that long. That said I lost my heart at age 27. He was sound and fat and we enjoyed a wonderful ride the day before he died from a strangulated lipoma. If she has the ability to retire him if needed I would not let age stop me from looking into it further.

Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.

Is it a good horse? Can the prospective owner afford to feed it? Bring it home and enjoy! Mrs. Horse is 25 and she’s still a super riding horse! I don’t plan to ride her forever, but I do think she has many useful years left: The plan is for my young son to take over the ride when he outgrows the small pony in a year or two.

My trainer is a very brilliant horsewoman, and she always advocates for the oldsters to have light jobs as long as they can manage it. The exercise is good for them!

Under these circumstance don’t do any sort of “lease.” That’s a recipe for future trouble. Instead let them buy the horse for “One Dollar and Other Valuable Consideration” on a simple bill of sale. That way the new owner can can deal with problems as they arise in a way that does not require consulting with somebody else on the other side of the country.

G.

trails is one thing, but lower level dressage once or twice a week? Teh horse might be able to do it now, and for a year or two, but how much longer…if all he can do after a couple of years is amble down the trail, will she be okay with that? Can she afford him and another riding horse, if he is not ride able or ride able to the level she wants (which will happen far sooner at his age)

Imo, the owner is dumping him, because owner if they don’t want to haul him can pay to retire him. Maybe as an option she can say to owner pay me $200 a month for pasture board, I’ll keep him lightly excersized , she will pay for shoes and supplements and giving a big discount on board since decent retirement board is $350-500, but owner still owns horse/responsible for vet bills. How well off is owner, might give a clue if this is something they would want to do

If she loves the horse, she can take him and ride him but be prepared that at age 26-28 he will likely slow down quite a bit from where he is now.

It’s always a tough call with an older horse. I’ve had a couple, one I bought at 23 who was still sound and showing locally when I “retired” him to a kid and got my current horse, who is 21 and still showing and winning locally in just about everything and will hopefully take a 4-H kid to state next year. My best lesson horse I got at 26 and do not regret a second of it. He was sound until the day I put him down at 28 and carting kids over cross rails until a few months before that. The last time I rode him a coupe of weeks before he got sick, he was all go. I’ve known a few horses who have been ridden into their 30’s. These horses are wonderful confidence builders and so much fin to be around!

But, as others have said, you go into it knowing time is short. If the horse is sound and healthy now, and your friend is ok with retiring him when the time comes, whether in six months or six years, then he could be a real gem for her. If she will be unhappy doing less strenuous work as he slows down and eventually no work, then she should pass. I personally love the oldies, but you do have to be realistic about long-term plans with them.

I was in that same boat last year, and I adopted the guy. He’s in great shape and could live for several more years. I wanted him to have a nice home and be doted on for once in his life. He and I are both at the same point in our riding career–all I want to do at this point is hack out and play around in the arena. I’m well aware of what’s ahead and I’m okay with that. So as long as your friend is honest with herself about what she wants and has the money for the inevitable age-related bills (which more than likely will go on long after she’s able to ride him), I say go for it!

Any horse…of any age…of any price,…is a heartbeat away from being dog food. And being horses, you never know when they will find unique ways to injure themselves.

Take the horse. As-is, where-is…no warranties, expressed or implied. Then go enjoy the horse.

But definitely BUY the horse, for $1 as G suggested, in order to have clarity about ownership rights.

I would be interested to know WHY she doesn’t want to take him with her.

Do they think the horse’s condition will suffer the trip (it isn’t worth putting him in that much stress) or the horse is already having major issues so it would be best to off him now to someone else?

I would to a work up with a vet to see if there are some issues. If all goes half way well, then, I would do the $1 purchase contract.

[QUOTE=2DogsFarm;8765829]
Since the “price” is right, why not spring for a full PPE-type exam by her vet?

If all checks out I’d expect she could get at least 10 more years of gentle use before horse developed any issues that would affect riding.
Even then, if she is content to hop on & do very little - say a Walk-Only ride, it could work.

Would she be okay with a pasture ornament?
If yes, then giving the old guy a soft landing would be nice.
If she wants more, then look for a teenaged horse.
But even then, being horses, “stuff” happens.[/QUOTE]

I think it’s extremely optimistic to think she’ll get 10 years out of this horse, even in light work. Yes, there are some who manage it, but most horses do not make it to 34 and of those that do, I’d guess most are not working. I’ve got a 33 y.o. and while he’s looking very good for his age, I wouldn’t dream of riding him at this stage in his life.

I think IF your friend decides to take this horse on she needs to do it knowing that she may only have 2 or 3 years of riding left on him. She also needs to be ok with all of the expense and care that an older horse requires, even when they’re no longer rideable. If she takes him on she needs to plan on being his last owner and commit to caring for him until the end, IMO. The current owner is/will be lucky to find him a soft landing at his age and the chances for a good end rapidly decrease the older they get so expecting to move him on again would be really unfair to the horse.

I personally have never purchased a horse over 18 yoa. But I know people who have paid for horses who were in their 20s and loved the horses. You can buy a 5 yr old and he can kick the bucket next week. And you can buy a horse in his 20s (or get him free) and he can live and be productive for years.

So it’s all a matter of luck. If you can keep a horse in his retirement years, then it’s a good deal to take an old guy and enjoy him.

His age wouldn’t deter me at all. I’ve taken in at least three that were older than that. The first two did their jobs well up until the day they died, and the third is still going strong.

IME, light riding is way easier on an older horse with some arthritis than long trailer rides.

I once let someone give me a 22-year old QH in exchange for back board. He was a good “husband and guest” horse ridden English, and that made him useful.

Then one day his ex-owner dumped a load of Western tack in the driveway–and like a fairy tale metamorphosis, the used Chevy suddenly became a Maserati once we were speaking his language. I rang up the AQHA, and his show record ran out of my fax machine like ticker-tape for 15 minutes.

I let him teach me Reining, his old discipline. All I knew was 2 Richard Shrake videos, and “like a dressage test, only faster!” He knew the whole pattern in his head and I barely had to tell him a thing. We started taking ribbons away from horses a third his age with owners who took weekly lessons and actually knew what they were doing!

In between, he packed my Dad around the hunter paces, taught him to jump, put up with my occasional side-saddle escapade and confounded French-school icon Jean-Claude Raciniet, who said his way of lifting his withers and swinging his back while dropping his head violated every known equestrian law of physics! And was the sweetest, most generous animal who ever lived, all the time keeping his sense of humor and reminding us he considered us, basically, bozos. :wink: Worth the thousand bags of Senior feed it took to keep him alive, believe me!

I got him at 22; he died at 32 following a pasture accident–kicked by another horse. Up to that time he was 100% sound and usable and wanted to go every day.

I donated a challenge trophy in his name. :sadsmile:

That is a lovely story and tribute Lady Eboshi!

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That is a lovely story and tribute Lady Eboshi![/QUOTE]

I 2nd that :encouragement:

Op, id say if the horse is sound enough for what she wants now, and she’s ok with all the things that come with an older equine- retirement coming up quickly, medical conditions that come with being elderly, and as long as she has the space to retire him and the money to pay for any issues he may develop and she’s ok with all that, she should take him. If she’s looking for a partner who can work harder or more than this guy can or whatever, it would be best for everyone for her to pass.

It does depend on the horse. My lease is 24 years old and fit as a fiddle. He has some arthritic changes in his fetlocks and poor circulation in his hips, but that is manageable I don’t see him slowing down any time soon, to be honest. But we also have a 21 year old mare at the yard and can still give as good as she gets, but her legs are definitely on their way out.

If she is prepared to provide him with some extra upkeep when he needs it, then go for it! Older horses are often incredible teachers.

One other thing, she needs to continue correct work with him. It benefits an old horse more than just trail rides. It keeps them stronger and more supple for longer.

Only if friend arranges full ownership by buying him so old owner does not need to be consulted for major decisions including choosing between expensive procedures or pulling the plug. Nice if friend has or can get something else to ride if this one becomes unuseable.

I was doing 3’ Adult Hunters on first a 19 year old then a 24 year old lease horse. The 19 year old was put down right after the lease ran out due to a pasture accident but was just about worn out from the knees down, wouldn’t have been useful much longer and lacked the temperment for light riding, packing newbies and totally hated trails. It was a graceful exit for that tough old warrior.

The 24 year old made it to to 27 but was not rideable past 25 plagued by a series of infections and cellulitis racking up some serious bills before they let him go, they regret waiting so long.

Current retiree was still showing competitively at 2’6" at 21 but got a DDFT screwing around in the field late that year that was very slow to heal. Like over 2 years at 1/5 on a good day and probably still not 100% at the 5 year point. Other issues started creeping in lately too.

Yeah, younger horses CAN get into trouble but geriatric horses WILL and they don’t bounce back like younger ones.

Not popular to say this but most people really have no idea how old their horse really is unless they have the foaling date in papers or tattoo. Always been popular for sellers to underestimate the age of a younger horse (or just lie and knock a few years off), teeth are not accurate once the horse gets into teens, even before that can be off a year or two.

These days, like claiming it’s a “rescue”, some overestimate or over state age. That 24 year old I leased was claimed to be 32 when he packed his last lease kid over cross rails, that was the year after I had him and his true age, 25 according to his foaling date on his papers, was known to those people. They even got a little blurb in a local paper due to the 32 year old horse still winning. Hope that didn’t inspire anybody to aquire one assuming it would be useful.

I guess I’m trying to say watch out for anecdotal “evidence” justifying aquiring a geriatric horse for regular, long term use at any level. There’s several others around here claimed to be nearing 30 still in work that seem to have aged at twice the normal rate based on their claimed age in show records and the memories of other horse folk who knew them when. More dramatic I suppose…if they didn’t have a local history, they’d probably claim it’s a rescue as well.

I seem to recall a thread in OC years back about a 45+ horse getting alot of publicity that had a tattoo that was pretty worn but hinted otherwise.