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Admin just posted “Cyril ran before Sheriff got here”
I asked if they couldn’t radio ahead, or catch up.
Seems to me squad car > than horseback :expressionless:
& So the shitshow continues…

UPDATE:
Got a reply saying Sheriff got to the campsite after he’d gone… But an investigation has been opened on him in Idaho.
Small gains?

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If he does not have a current coggins or CVI his horses absolutely will be impounded by the state.

Years ago a client left KS with 4 broodmares in her trailer headed to their farm in Montana. She had a flat tire on the interstate in Wyoming. A brand inspector stopped while she was waiting for a tire guy. She did not have coggins with her, hell, she didn’t even have any current ones for the mares and they were impounded on the spot.

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Is it just the presumed lack of paperwork that has prompted all of this action from authorities, or are there additional concerns that they can act on?

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From the get-go we were all wondering if he had a Coggins or CVI. And of course he doesn’t.

And now Dipshit is on the run from the law? And he has accomplices? Well, this has taken an unexpected turn.

I’ll bet he’s been lured, like a moth to a flame, to Yellowstone because: Photo ops. He wants to do his best Kevin Costner pose for all the casting agents out there. :roll_eyes:

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Both horses are in pretty sad shape.
The one he rides - B/W TWH - has what appears in vids to be a swollen/edematous left hock. The older bay horse he uses as a pack animal (& apparently ponyride for a woman he picked up) - either coliced or tied up, while he videoed complete with voiceover making light of it :rage:
Then later posted a comment that “colic happens, can’t be fixed, we just move on”
I sincerely wish he would colic.

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But is any of that something that the authorities in those states can act on, or do they need to wait for the horses to collapse?

I wish I knew that answer.
I know AC is vilified as useless a lot.
But if missing paperwork takes this idjit down, that’s all that’s needed.

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well if he is heading to Yellowstone, wait until he gets a load of the required paperwork.

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I think considering his expedition and the condition of the horses he is pushing the line of neglect/cruelty. It would be a lot in the eye of the official beholder but the scope of what he’s doing with these horses while being a rank ignoramus could be enough to at least ping him on LEO’s radar. If he officially pings, they will have a vet do an assessment and I think that will be end for him. That combined with his border dodging b/c of potential lack of papers is making him look worse and worse in the eyes of the law. They will impound the horses if they don’t have their paperwork and he will get a fine and have to straighten it all out before he gets them back. MT requires a health certificate within 30 days of entry and I don’t see him getting that. ID is a little different I think? MT is big enough we haven’t ever taken our horses out of it. Yellowstone won’t let him just pull over on the side of the road to camp; he would have to get into the back country to do that plus he needs a permit, which I don’t see him doing those two things either.

Taking the horses would be extreme but like I said earlier, the paperwork hairball might be enough to make it all not fun any more and maybe he would at the very least do things a little better, if not abandon his quest, or ditch the horses.

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Won’t he also need to have certified weed-free feed for those horses inside Yellowstone?

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I think he can be in real trouble just for lacking a Coggins, a health certificate and a brand inspection. I mean, that at least gives LE a reason to pull him over, so to speak. And if it appears that this poser dipsh*t is purposely evading LE? All the better when they finally catch up to him.

(Fingers crossed)

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:crossed_fingers::crossed_fingers::crossed_fingers::crossed_fingers::crossed_fingers:
& Toes!

He might have a Coggins on the Walker, possibly from the Seller.
Same could be true for the bay.
But CVIs?
Not likely.

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By the way, whatever happened to his father? Remember the video scene where Dad drove up in the car and (allegedly) he was going to join Dipsh*t for several days and nights on the trails?

I can’t help but wonder how much riding he’s actually doing. It would be easy enough to trailer horses here and there for his 30 second videos, then chill out for a few days and make a little movie somewhere else.

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:thinking:

Very good point.

But if that’s his plan at this point, he’s an even bigger poser than we thought.

Yet at least the horses are getting a break. So there’s that.

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He’s posted some photos of his father riding Falcon while Cereal rides poor Pete.

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Oh joy.

He just treats those two poor horses like cheap bicycles, doesn’t he?

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I’ll admit I haven’t read through this entire thread but I’m aware of Cereal through other social media outlets.

As someone who had the honor of meeting a true Long Rider (Bernice Ende), I can’t help but paraphrase this to “I knew a Long Rider…Cereal, you’re no Long Rider.”

Summary of how a Long Rider lives - their animals/partners come first: https://www.endeofthetrail.com/

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Damn I wish the AC & LE who talked to him in TX had known this !!!

He would have been done right there. Boom. Trip over. I wonder if they were supposed to ask about it? And maybe just aren’t in the habit.

TX is way effing serious about Coggins for horses off their own property. TX has at times had actual trailer stops between counties to check for Coggins, if there has been a case recorded in the area. Coggins is one thing the state isn’t kidding about.

Since seeing how unprepared he was in TX, this has been my question as well. TX isn’t easy, but it was defintely the easiest part of his planned journey. Idiot.

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The problem with abuse/misuse/neglect is that most counties/states have warnings, not seizures. They almost never, ever seize on first contact.

These horses are nowhere near being in a condition that would prompt immediate seizure. They would have to be near death from starvation & dehydration, literally, just hide hanging off a skeleton. And/or no water or food available whatsoever. If they have grazing – and technically these horses have that on the side of the road – there will not be a seizure.

Instead the authorities write it all up and give a warning and a period of time to correct deficits. They inspect again in a couple of weeks or a month.

It is not illegal for someone to just move the animals out of the jurisdiction after said warning. If that happens, case closed.

Authorities DO NOT WANT TO SEIZE. Seizure is a huge can of problems for the authority – and expense. They have to care for the horses for what is likely to be weeks. A lot of legal stuff has to happen. Finally a decision – usually leads to sale at auction. Yep, the killbuyers are right there ready to bid.

A lot of sheriffs a) don’t want to deal with it, b) don’t have the budget for it, and c) honestly have a conscious that the horses are worse off at auction than in whatever miserable conditions they are living. I know that c) is the case for the sheriff in my county, who has said so to anyone interested enough to ask. He feels pretty bad leaving the horses in bad circumstances that aren’t correcting well, but thinks that c) is likely to be worse, having watched c) in action more than once.

A very sad part of being an officer of AC or LE inspecting animal neglect/abuse is that they often have to leave an animal in bad conditions. They want to help. But the laws rarely give them the latitude to remedy substandard conditions, just to try to mitigate the worst situations.

Not close to sad enough for immediate seizure in most jurisdictions in the U.S. And they can graze the roadside, and there will be other reasons to posit that they have access to food & water.

Inspectors may lecture Knucklehead. And schedule him for a follow-up visit in 2 to 4 weeks.

Maybe he will stumble into a jurisdiction that is very proactive and has strict standards of care and is ready to seize. But that would be a major exception to the rule of what happens in most counties in the U.S.

Yes. For the most part, in most jurisdictions. Or see permanent scarring & signs of physical abuse, or the horses are a poor body score 1. These horses don’t seem to have those things, as otherwise the TX inspectors would have acted differently.

And the horse has to be collapsed at the time the authorities see the horse. Horses have an unfortunate resiliency and are inclined to get back on their feet after a period of collapse. It is hard to get the authorities there in time to see it. If the horse is standing when they conclude their visit, it is unlikely they will seize. The will warn, counsel, and schedule a follow-up visit. If the horse is no longer in the jurisdiction for the follow-up, then case closed.

Yes. The cheap bicycles would have collapsed by now, though. The horses are a lot more stoic, unfortunately.

Someone whisper in the ear of each horse: “Lay down and DO NOT GET UP !!!”

Yep. :grin: Al Capone was done for his taxes (or lack thereof). Not his murders, corruption and wholesale criminal activity.

Whatever works. :+1:

(Who tf doesn’t have a Coggins for a horse off their own property … :hushed: :face_with_raised_eyebrow:)

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