5 Gaited ASB Cues

OK, here’s the bible:
http://www.amazon.com/Saddle-Seat-Equitation-Helen-Crabtree/dp/0385172176/ref=la_B001KDKF42_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409551707&sr=1-1

or at least it used to be.

I ride dressage now & I really do not feel that I sit any differently or in a different place. I do think it feels different from sitting in a hunt seat saddle, though.

You still should not be behind your (or horse’s) center of gravity, with a line from ear to hip to heel, and the idea is to get the horse to lift his front end: you want action in the hocks. sound familiar?? I rode instructors who all recommended Centered Riding. Good riding is good riding.

Hands should be as high as they need to be - determined by where the horse’s head (mouth) is. His head can be carried higher, so your hands will be higher.

If your intention really is just to enjoy the gaits, you certainly need not adopt saddle seat riding. a western or general purpose saddle is fine. Have fun.

Most importantly, be sure not to spill your mint julep as you rack along.:slight_smile:

Disclaimer: I haven’t watched this video. Maybe someone here has.

http://www.asbmuseum.org/item/3172/17/dvd_developing_the_rack_and_slow_gait.html

This may be helpful as you would be learning how the horse was taught.

This one I do have, but pricey. http://www.asbmuseum.org/item/265/17/gaiting_horses_dvd.html

I agree that you may be placing your cutback saddle too far forward. Another reason your horse may not go as well in it is you don’t ride as well as it, it doesn’t have a high cantle or knee rolls to support you and hide your flaws.

Cues:

Walk. Let the horse walk.

Trot. Keep even contact on the bridle, cluck and say trot or woop trot. Feel for the trot with your seat and start posting. Some 5 gaited horses you may have to reach out your pinky and touch their neck or withers.

Slow Gait. Hands wide and high and a looser feel on the bridle, playing the horse side to side. But more important are your seat and legs. You should be sitting on your pockets and feeling for a four beat lateral gait. Your legs move independent from each other either brushing the horses sides or with little kicks looking for the pick-a pick-a pick-a of the slow gait, which is a stepping pace. If the gait gets rough and bouncy you are doing a pace, a hard two beat lateral gait, and you are probably using too much hand. Don’t say anything while slow gaiting or racking (but you can cluck).

Rack. Start a slow gait and use more leg to get more speed.

Canter. At a walk or a halt do hanches in, cluck and say canter perhaps with an extra kick from the outside leg or a tap on the inside shoulder with a whip. Again if you are having trouble you are likely using too much hand. Also keep your @ss in the saddle and sit up straight, use your seat to drive the horse forward.

Now the five gaited stuff don’t assume that just because your horse offers up a slow gait when it is confused or anxious that it is a finished, trained five gaited horse. So if it doesn’t seem like the cuts make sense to the horse or it starts losing the purity of its trot or canter stop doing the slow gait/rack unless you find someone to help you.

Saddle Position

sdlbredfan and Renae

Here is a link to my FB page with the photos of Daisy with her saddle on. The only thing I did differently is added a felt pad to the back of my Mattes pad to get a better fit. She seemed much happier today, even with my complete inability to properly post in it, ( I feel so far behind :eek:)

http:////www.facebook.com/rina.elisheva

Not able to see the photo, is it set to public?

Also in saddle seat you should be sitting up straight, knees on, lower leg slightly away from the horse (when you’re not using it). Post up and down, not forward and back. Hunt seat crossover riders I’ve taught want to lean forward and hang on to the horse with their lower leg. In general lower leg contact to a saddle seat horse means go forward, but I (and most other trainers I know) also use our legs for lateral control and to maintain straightness as we work on collection (which comes from the back end as in every other discipline). Just keep in mind that a saddle seat horse is used to your leg being off it’s side unless you are cueing for something.

It’s supposed to be. I’ll double check it. Sorry 'bout that.

I’m glad to know I’m not the only crossover to find this beyond challenging!

Well, ![]( can see the album but I had to search for it through your pages. You can do a direct link to a Fb photo by right clicking it, copy and then paste [IMG]https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10649536_332127553626732_8879283132138726069_n.jpg?oh=e3f70296052ffb6f7f5ed4a6a10fa8ac&oe=546DE0C0&gda=1417356572_94890ccc66a5ddb73d1c6b80a3374fab)

The saddle position doesn’t look terribly off to me, but I see a form of martingale that wouldn’t be used.

There are two barns on the http://www.asha.net/breed/stables.php site that are about 80 miles away from Pittsburg - perhaps you could call one and get a referral to someone closer? Good luck!

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This saddle position looks OK to me. If this were one of my trainer’s horses it would be wearing a training martingale or possibly a German martingale. The training martingale is a double rein set up with a form of running martingale, to give a curb effect and practice using the two reins. 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If it makes you feel any better, I’ve been riding an old eventer type schoolie during the week, so I can get back on a good saddlebred.

The amount of leg needed to get this guy to trot is absolutely insane! The whole trot to canter thing - took some serious getting used to. When told to “lean forward” when cantering - huh??? Never mind my reflexive attempts to get a nice slow collected canter.

I got back down to the saddlehorse barn last weekend - I thought that old schoolie was going to run off since I’ve gotten into the habit of using a bit more leg.

A couple years ago, I rode a 3rd level dressage horse. Aside from the fact that the tank broke the tree on my cutback :(, I probably could have done a decent training or intro test after a couple months if I hadn’t messed up my ankle.

[QUOTE=red mares;7743859]
. . . Never mind my reflexive attempts to get a nice slow collected canter.

. . . QUOTE]

That collected canter was something I really really liked about ASB. Soooo easy on my back. When I rode H/J I perched in order to keep from having my back mangled. Everybody was calling it two point, I called it desperation.

The sitting trot is what has been mangling my back. Last week - sitting trot without stirrups. :disgust: I keep telling myself it’s practice for a park walk.

I use the irish martingale just in case when I’m riding if bite it to keep her reins from coming over her neck. If I’m showing I don’t use one. (Yes, I’m a dropper, just my preference.).

Thanks for your input.

[QUOTE=red mares;7743859]
If it makes you feel any better, I’ve been riding an old eventer type schoolie during the week, so I can get back on a good saddlebred. [/QUOTE]

I’ve got another “if it makes you feel any better”. In my younger days I was a darn good rider. I rode and showed five gaited horses (and tough ones at that) with no problem. I still ride several times a week and my horse can be a bit of a bronc and I stick. My seat and hands are still there and I feel confident and secure. But I’ve been riding the same horse and only that horse every day for 9 years, and I ride hunt seat now. Sometimes I do ride him saddle seat with a double bridle but I can count on my fingers the number of times I’ve been on a different horse.

So two weeks ago a friend let me ride a nice big going five gaited show horse. In her saddle not mine. Holy Fish Outta Watah! It was like jumping in someone else’s vehicle and confusing the wipers with the turn signals. The steering wheel was too high and the seat was too far back. I got myself sorted out but dang! It felt really weird.

Still felt good though. Now I’m dreaming in five gaits again :winkgrin:

I know this was several years ago, but there is an excellent saddlebred farm in Pittsburgh. Riverview Valley Stables/Tamarack Farms

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What part of Pittsburgh are you in? Sue Lownesbury is South of the city in Fredricktown. I’ve taken lessons from her and would highly recommend her. There is also Seldom Seen Farm in Waynesburg. These two would be your closest, but I would also recommend Burin Stables in Girard, Ohio, which would only be about an hour depending on your location. Amy rides with Burin Stables.