You know the saying. There’s a sucker born every day. Apparently these people have managed to find a lot of them. <shrug>
(and here I was REALLY betting on magical horses! :p)
How about this in regards to “negotiations”?
"Our horses are priced fairly. We operate a professional equine sales facility, not a used car lot. If the word negotiation is one that you consider applicable to the purchase at hand, please look elsewhere.
While we may be negotiable on the price of a horse in the $5,000+ price range, please do not come here expecting to haggle over a yearling."
WTF?!?
My gawd! They don’t want to be perceived as a “used sales car lot” (or something like that), yet they charge a $500 “restocking fee”??? How horsey is that term???
They sell 1-2 horses per day???
Yowsers!
“Occasional injuries occur. When a horse is discovered to be/becomes unsound, we transport and sell that horse to an out-of-state horse dealer. If you would like our assistance in liquidating your horse in the same manner we will be happy to do so. We have recieved as little as $300 for geldings that were priced at $7,500 and appeared sound…this is what you should expect to receive when liquidating a horse…and why auction horses seem like such a “good deal”. We don’t complain about this…it comes with the territory and if you are purchasing horses with the intent to sell, then you should not either.”
LIQUIDATING YOUR HORSE???
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OK, I am reading that page and thinking SERIOUS Scam Artists here… The fact that this is in there just scares the hell out of me!
Upon Full Payment
You will receive a bill of sale and a receipt. If you would like to have a coggins certificate, it is provided free of charge, but all information tracing the horse to the ranch will be removed. Horse transportation will be arranged only following receipt of full payment of all charges.
Hello! ALL horses come with Coggins - even sales require them! And that all information tracing them to the ranch will be removed? Why? Are they stolen???
PMU brokers
Looks to be a clearing house for PMU offspring. I didn’t spend too much time on the site but I guess their prices are sufficiently low that they would prefer to tempt people to buy unseen for a lower price.
I suppose they can do whatever they want; it must work or they would stop doing it. It would probably be better to match horse and rider on a more “personal” level but when you think of where some of these babies might end up if people weren’t buying them and turning them around…I’m not prepared to be overly critical.
:eek:
Oh. My. God.
I love these people! A $500 minimum 10% deposit? They don;t recommend vetting for horses under $5000 as people who buys these horses are too thick to understand the results? And what is up with theat bit about the coggins certificate?
And is it just me or are the horses they’ve sold generally pretty crappy?
I think they’re my new heroes 
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If they assist you to load your new purchase and it will cost you another hundred bucks…and check out their delivery fees!:eek:
While I dont like the idea…look at it from their side…taking the time to bring horses in from other farms, paying transport costs, rider costs and then have a tire kicker come in and look at 10 horses and you never hear from them again. I have had a ton of tire kickers here during the breeding season looking horses when I was VERY busy and still kept smiling and showing to these non buyers who had a free day and decided to look at pretty horsies! There are days I would have loved to charge a fee to look at the horses I have for sale…especially when you come to see a 2yr old and look at the pretty foals instead!
I clicked on “Contact Us” and asked a few questions, and gave them my opinion on their business practice.
I must be PMSing, and the zoloft hasn’t kicked in yet.
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Uh, why don’t they just show the sales horses at the location where they are stabled? If they’re for sale and getting worked every day, then they’ve got to have facilities to exercise them. Why should the buyer have to pay to have the horse transported somewhere else for a FIRST look?? If I wanted to see the horse in another location, then I would pay the cost of transport, but for a first look at the horse? $500?? You’ve got to be kidding me.
And since when should the buyer who is coming to try the horse have to pay a pro to show the horse to them? If the seller wants a pro to show the horse, then that is the seller’s business and should be at the seller’s expense.
All crossbreds…mostly draft crosses…from Canada. Hmmm, wonder where they’re getting them? :winkgrin:
We operate a breeding facility with four (4) producing stallions. Our broodmares are pastured with our stallions. Occasionally a new worker or visitor to our premises may leave a gate open and a mare not intended for breeding may make it into the pasture with a stallion. While we do everything in our power to prevent these situations from occurring, nature will in some cases prevail…and occasionally we have had mares that were sold to us as “open” turn out to be bred or find that they have gotten in foal while here.
Um… Er… Uh…
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Okay…here’s another thing that just blew my mind.
"It would be our preference to have a policy that states that vet exams will only be performed for mature horses over $5,000, however, we do understand that this is important to some of our customers and so we have made the following allowances for such situtations: While we are happy to provide this service in situations where it is requested, we require a confirmed sale."
Maybe I’m reading this incorrectly, but pretty much doesn’t this say you have to commit to buying the horse if it’s under $5,000 if you want a vetting?
Someone please tell me if I am reading this incorrectly. It wouldn’t surprise me if I am today. I’m teetering on the edge and am about to go over!!!
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I tried to edit my last post after reading more of their website…YIKES they are scary…they prefer not to vet, charge a restocking fee??? and the part about the coggins just seems alittle on the illegal side to me
There’s more…
There is no such thing as a PRE-purchase exam. Only a POST-purchase exam, which they strongly discourage, and which they charge for. They only allow certain vets. And if the horse fails, they charge you an additional $500 “re-stocking fee.”
Sorry for the second posting but OMG, read THIS part of their “contract”:
“Occasional injuries occur. When a horse is discovered to be/becomes unsound, we transport and sell that horse to an out-of-state horse dealer. If you would like our assistance in liquidating your horse in the same manner we will be happy to do so. We have recieved as little as $300 for geldings that were priced at $7,500 and appeared sound…this is what you should expect to receive when liquidating a horse…and why auction horses seem like such a “good deal”. We don’t complain about this…it comes with the territory and if you are purchasing horses with the intent to sell, then you should not either”
So they sell to auctions too.
Wow, what a great outfit this is.
I read it the exact same way as you did. As I understand it, they feel that most people buying horses under $5K are too stupid to properly understand the results from the vet check so they don’t think it’s necessary. But if you do want to do it, you have to pay for the horse and then vet check it. Fruitbat anybody??
I was thinking PMU foals also.
“When payment is tendered for a horse, we will retreive that horse from pasture and place it in a stall. There it will stay until the shipper arrives.”
Please tell me they don’t mean this. That the horse will stay in the stall until it’s picked up. What if it takes a few days to arrange?
I really need to stop looking at that site!!!
Somebody, please explain this while I look for a tranquilizer.
“Occasionally, you may find one of our horses appearing as sold on the webpage of a farm…this does not mean that the remaining horses on that farm are of a similar quality to those that we have selected for sale…quite the contrary… in most cases…you can pretty much assume that this is not a farm with whom we wish to have an ongoing relationship with as they have not honored our wishes as volume purchasers …good luck getting them to honor yours…If you use information gleaned from our site to determine our sources and then attempt to purchase a horse that we have listed for sale from the farm so as to save a few pennies by cutting us out of the loop, you are stealing our listing and our work product… and…you are in for a rude awakening… Most large shipments of Canadian Sport Horses coming into the US are those that we are either commissioning or have placed the majority of horses on… We will block the shipment of your horse and you will be placed on a list of individuals that we ask our good suppliers not to do business with…we will also provide your name to our customers as a person of questionable integrity so as to assist them in avoiding being cheated on the purchase of a horse. Our suppliers know that anyone that we do not deem to be an honest customer is not one that they are willing to take a chance on for one small sale… In addition, we are in constant communication with our suppliers and they are more than willing as business partners to support us in the pursuit and litigation of individuals seeking to steal our work product or interfere with our business…”
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