Pet Peeve
Would everybody stop citing from Wikipedia? The point of Wikipedia is that ANYONE can edit the [mis-]information on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction
I love the site- it has it’s uses, but understand it’s not exactly a legitimate source of info when you’re trying to prove facts.
you’re not paying attention…
No one has said he or she needs permission to see his or her horse. What I said was I always called first, as a courtesy. It is not really a boarding facility. Besides, I live pretty far away and want to make sure there’s a bathroom when I arrive!
Quote: “Believe me, I lived within 20 miles of Calvert Cliffs and never once gave it a second thought. Although seeing the hot water spewing out of the pipes is enough to give one pause, especially with the waters moving so swiftly, and the steam rising. Almost like an aquatic gate to Hell.”
Hot Watergate?
I went and looked at their site this morning and noticed much of the scary stuff has been removed. Which made me wonder…if she either removes that bad stuff or changes it to sound nicer, would this really change her practices?
Good point and no, leopards do not change their spots! I have wondered aoubt her shipping fees - if you ship a lot of horses from Canada to one drop-off spot, the shipping fees are subsidized by the Canadian gov’t or something is my understanding, and I have been told you pay close to nothing if 4 or m ore horses come in. Could VHS be getting shipping subsidies, then charging the shipping fees they charge, and double dipping so to speak; doing pretty well by not passing on the savings. An hefty extra profit on each horse sold.
VHS was once merely a standard for recording tape, their products could be found in every video store. It would seem that since the advent of DVD’s they’ve been forced into the business of importing horses from Canada.
You’re forgetting what VSH had posted on their Web site. This thread is about the Web site…not people who know her and what she actually does or does not do.
So yes, Showpony, according to the original Web site, you would have to make an appointment before going to see your horse. :yes: :eek:
I wondered that too–if something is worded more politely, does it still mean the same? But maybe the practices were mostly okay before, they just weren’t well described. I’d still have a problem with the $500 up front, just to go & look, but as for the altered coggins, one supporter did say Liz would likely have to quit doing that if what all here say is true–she will have to get new tests done.
As for the shipping part–yes, I commented on that earlier. I know for a fact that Ayerst was paying the shipping of these horses to the US–a friend of mine sent 2 trailer loads to Virginia (not sure if it was to VSH or not, but definitely Virginia) & I think some to other locations as well–the horses were going to someone who had found other buyers for many of the horses. With a certain number to go on the shipment, Ayerst paid the transporter directly. That too caused a bit of problem, because the shippers were doing the hauling & invoicing Ayerst, and Ayerst was taking a bit of time to pay up and so the shippers started to be reluctant to haul any more loads. It wasn’t that the money wasn’t there, it was just that the processing took some time. That was late 2003/early 2004 I think, after the first round of PMU contract cuts–at that time definitely Ayerst was paying the shipping, but I don’t know what the deal is now, if it’s still the same or not.
I would hope that no one other than the truckers were making money off of the shipping. This friend was getting somewhere around $600 to $800 for each horse he shipped out on those loads, so I’d be very curious to know what price the next person in line was charging for those same horses, and how much, if any, of that price was being attributed to transport.
At that same time, local sales were bringing top prices of $150 for same quality horses; some were dumping their horses for far less than that–$50. The local feedlot offered 5 cents per pound and some did go there.
I can’t imagine having to do a tax return based on all the different charges outlined on the webpage. All that times 1,000 horses sold per year? That’s almost three horses a day. Do they have an onsite accountant? :lol:
Do we win a prize if we can knock this up to 100,000 views?
After watching this thread go on and on for a zillion posts I finally started to read it today. Scanned things and tried to see the info on the site you’all are talking about. I cant find it. Am I being dumb? Can anyone guide me. Or, is what you are talking about being taken off the site the things the website gave as information on viewing horses. Gone? So nothing to read now? Just someone let me know and I will stop looking!! Sandy
www.sugarbrook.com
hunter/jumper ponies
The things I saw that were still there you can find under policies and contracts. The boarding contract says that you have to get permission to come out to see your horse. You will also see under payment information that she changes the coggins.
This is just from memory…as I was not able to access the site at the moment to tell you specifically…but yes, a lot of the good stuff was removed/changed.
Below is a link to a google cache of the VSH web site…
Did anyone ever surface who actually had to pay the fees? It seems that MM didn’t pay any… Maybe they are just on the site to scare folks like us away 
Quickbooks, or even Quicken would help alot
MM did pay the $500, she said she didn’t have a problem with that because she knew she’d find a horse there she wanted to buy. She didn’t pay the $100 loading fee (or I’m guessing she paid it, but then had it refunded to her when her horse loaded quickly?) because she took a stock trailer & her horse loaded easily. Seems to me that someone else said they had paid the $500 too, but don’t ask me who it was or where they said it!!
Do we win a prize if we can knock this up to 100,000 views?
It’s my understanding that an occassional knock-up may happen because someone might accidently leave the thread open allowing intimate commingling. I think there’s a fee involved, too, thus making this a professional intimate commingling.
Do we win a prize if we can knock this up to 100,000 views?
It’s my understanding that an occassional knock-up may happen because someone might accidently leave the thread open allowing intimate commingling. I think there’s a fee involved, too, thus making this a professional intimate commingling.
posted by percheron X:
VHS was once merely a standard for recording tape, their products could be found in every video store. It would seem that since the advent of DVD’s they’ve been forced into the business of importing horses from Canada.
Jul. 7, 2006 03:45 PM
thank-you, I guess I needed that but it did put a smile on my face this morning!
a neighbor of hers told me not too long ago that a buyer went to try a horse after paying the 500 fee. the horse she tried bucked her off and she decided she did not want it and neither did she want to try any more horses and she asked for her deposit back and was refused and that she is going to court to get it returned. Wonder if she ever got it back.
The policies were back for a short while, now it’s just some contracts. But if you go back and read the entire thread, several people copied the entire policies part into their posts, so you can read them there.
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